General Musings on THOSE E-Mail Servers

So user On The Cusp asked for my riff as an IT pro and Hillary's servers. I started to answer, and suddenly had nearly a thousand words of comment before I realized "Oh hell, this is another entry, isn't it?"

For those so interested, here it is:

The startup I mentioned working for was a very strange concept where we would become a matchmaker for startups looking for angel investors. "garage.com: We startup startups". Yes, that really was the tagline.

And if that seems insanely meta, it's possible you didn't live through the late nineties. I both envy and pity those people, as it was one hell of a wild ride, but DAMN, that hangover sucked dirt.

I was the server guy. I built everything virtually from scratch, from converting iMacs (a long story itself) into 1U rack servers (basically really thin servers you can stick in black metal frames), network switches, dealing with getting the bandwidth; Basically, if it involved communication phone or online, it was my job to make it work.

Since we dealt with investment stuff we fell under the strangely specific gaze of the SEC. This placed some specific reporting requirements on how information came and left the company. For example, because the whole internet thing was still insanely new (this was 1998) the SEC still required paper records for every e-mail received or sent.

Yes, ALL of it.

I was the one who came up with a way to capture all e-mails sent, have them printed out automatically, and handed each box off to admin for storage filing.

Fortunately the following year the SEC began to realize that, not only was it was killing whole forests of trees for documentation that would have little to no bearing on any future audits or investigations >99% of the time, but that FINDING anything in said documentation would be neigh on impossible. They also seemed to discover that it was possible to put that same information on ad only DVD's that would solve both issues, not to mention the very real possibility that those damn boxes would put my back out.

The point is, the garage.com e-mail server was a fairly secure server, in a fairly secure environment, monitored by people who were fully non-disclosed. While being exposed to private/privileged information was a common occurrence, as the IT guy with complete access to everything (it's the only way we can back everything up, know that there isn't a problem with corrupted data, and so on...), I could literally just ignore it. Mind you, since I have a kind of freakish memory for things, I likely absorbed it more than I was consciously aware, but I know I was never the source of a single leak.

However, under no circumstances would I consider that system suitable for classified information. I didn't matter that the servers were secured in a windowless room behind a dead-bolted door, or that you would still need specific accounts and passwords to directly access the information. Even the harddrives were locked in their assorted enclosures, which in turn were in locked cabinets that limited access to any of the actual ports or cables.

The problem is that there is always a risk of a digital break in or point to point interception (oftimes referred to as a "Man in the Middle" attack) of the data being stored there. It's not a matter of how good a job I did as an administrator; Witness even today the stream of "Oops!" stories about server security, even at organizations at the top of the food chain, usually due to zero day bugs (that crack in your security that you didn't know was there, until someone finds it... and they weren't doing it as a "white hat" hacker, sadly) that allowed them to See What They Weren't Supposed To.

So yes, the requirements for properly handling and securing classified communications appear to be insane, but they're designed to prevent, however inadvertently, leaking of sensitive information. Regardless of how it was set up, by it's very nature Hillary's server did not meet those criteria. And it was completely unnecessary; save for Hillary's clear desire to prevent non-classified documentation from falling into the FOIA bucket.

Note that I don't believe Hillary was actually hiding anything all that terrible, any more than she is by not releasing the transcripts; She's just developed that same unfortunate political paranoia that has done in politicians better or worse than she is about the mass of data they leave lying about, and the monsters that might be pieced together from it. Hillary's even said as much about the transcripts, about not wanting to give her opponents the ammo that could be lurking in those documents.

The millisecond classified documentation went from a secured to unsecured server, crimes were committed. The nature of that crime makes it insanely difficult to assign guilt; Some would argue that using the server was the crime, others that she didn't intend to violate laws. Of course the old saw that "ignorance of the crime is no excuse" is easy to bandy about, but there are levels of arcana involved in the endless regulations that surround us like a hazy cloud of venn diagrams, overlapping departments and categories that can completely contradict each other's guidance.

So no, I don't think anyone could create a scenario that would really bring down Hillary, or anyone close enough to matter. But by my own admission at the start of this piece, I Am Not A Lawyer, nor Machiavellian enough to see a way to tie Richelieu's noose around her neck; Other's with greater imagination than mine could.

So, possible, but very improbable, considering the current state of the right wing.

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Martha Pearce-Smith's picture

the server and such. I have always been more interested in what is actually IN those emails.

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…for the public to peruse.

Of the 22 not published, 18 of them were from a single email conversation she was having with President Obama.

My very favorite document found on Hillary's server has been blocked from the eyes of Americans, but you can read about it here:

Smoking gun emails (from Hillary's server) reveal Blair's 'deal in blood' with George Bush over Iraq war was forged a YEAR before the invasion had even started

(This was published in the Telegraph, etc., but the Daily Mail has the best presentation of the leak of the century. If this ever got out in the US, Hillary would be toast.)

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I guarantee with this you'd have the entire force of the Obama Administration descend like the Furies of old.

Have Wikileaks claim that Hillary had contacted them with regards to turning over files that prove wrongdoing by the Obama Administration.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

The IT guy has been granted immunity and is cooperating, at least that is what I have read.
All it would take is a kick ass prosecutor, and the right federal grand jury, and the indictments could flow.
The need for security was addressed by the protocols established at the State Dept., by the NSA, but she set up a system to be secure from THAT secured system.
I find her rationale(s) to be woefully inadequate.
If anything, you have put the whole issue under a more focused microscope than the goof ball republicans.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Donald Trump has promised that if Hillary is the nominee he will talk about her e-mails every single day. It's just too big a target to ignore. It fits the Clinton narrative that they are always looking to skirt the law and escape accountability.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

is FOIA -- if she deleted emails that were official business (even if they weren't classified), could that be seen as a violation of FOIA if someone came looking for information? Say, information on arms sales to the Saudis in connection with donations to the Clinton Foundation? Violating FOIA probably wouldn't disqualify her as a candidate (the GOP would love to have a precedent the next time they're looking to hide stuff), but it does speak to lack of judgement.

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

was automatic every time she didn't supply the State Department archive with a copy of her official emails. IOW, there doesn't have to be a FOIA request filed, for her to be in violation.

BTW, one of the House Committees discovered this debacle when they found evidence that the left-leaning organization, 'Friends Of The Earth, was suing the State Department for noncompliance with FOIA procedures (not providing FOE the emails that they requested).

Hey, thanks for the interesting post, Yohannon. Look forward to reading more.

And a hearty 'welcome' to C99P!

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George W. Bush and Obama administrations have routinely ignored FOIA requests. Charging Hillary with it would be a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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to assess the classification of the information they were broadcasting in their unsecured system, to me, makes Hillary unsuited for the job as President. It's not as if, as SOS, she didn't have access to systems that could maintain proper classification - she just chose not to to more easily further her own ends.

Personally, I see only one person that meets my standards of ethical and moral leadership: Senator Sanders!

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Tommymac's picture

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511509720

Not saying this is anything more than speculation on a blog post...but the Email issue is NOT just about classified stuff.

It is also about plain old corruption...and if this speculation has any truth to it then it looks like the Clintons may have gone behind Obama's back and part of the Libya situation was about $$$...

Did Hillary delete pertinent emails that would have tied her into a conflict of interest scandal? I don't know...guess we could look for her 'Rose Mary Woods'...

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Speculation is that Blumenthal got the classified sigint from Tyler Drumheller who is now dead.

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