Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Something Blue

Something/Someone Old
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Look what they found in Mexico City, underneath a hotel:

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It's a five-hundred-year-old Aztec temple to Ehecatl, the wind god. There's a large temple, a ball court, and lots of human neck bones.

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It apparently was in use from around 1481 to 1512, though researchers say that after the Spanish conquest, it was unlikely it was used for its original purpose.

Here's some coverage from Al-Jazeera:

Something New
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Looks like vegetarians may be able to eat burgers that taste like real burgers soon:

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People figured out a way to make a veggie burger taste like real meat. The key is apparently a chemical compound called heme, a primary component of hemoglobin. It contains iron and turns red when it comes into contact with oxygen, which is why red meat is red. It's also what gives meat its flavor. You don't have to get it out of meat, though; apparently nitrogen-fixing plants also contain it. (Good old nitrogen-fixing plants. So helpful in so many respects.)

Apparently these things behave in all respects like an ordinary burger, though they are made primarily out of heme, potato protein, coconut oil, and wheat (so people with wheat problems still won't be able to eat it, but probably everyone else will). Everyone else who can afford it will be able to eat it, anyway. It apparently costs about 20 dollars to produce an impossible burger right now. So San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, brace yourselves for the impossible burger! They say they will get the price lower when they're able to scale up the production.

I just can't help wondering how it will be able to produce grease when it has no animal fat. The coconut oil, I guess.

Something Borrowed
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OK, I was shocked at the Google results when I looked up today's Borrowed thing (yes, I know I should switch to DuckDuckGo; I'm just trying to figure out if I have to use it with Chrome). There is apparently a backlash against the idea that Christianity borrowed elements from paganism, even though they obviously did:

I'm not usually crappy to Christians, despite the fact that back in the day they basically eliminated the pagan religions of Europe, by force when necessary, and created a sort of cultural wipeout of religions deeply related to the earth, which I have a problem with not only because I am a pagan, but because I think it has led to some deeply unfortunate things, the consequences of which we are living with now (though, arguably, Christianity's tolerance of capitalism has had far worse consequences, and has no basis in their holy texts that I can find. I mean, absolutely none. Jesus might be either noncommittal or obscure with regard to paying taxes, but he is not noncommittal at all about the corrupting influence of private greed and wealth. He talks about the problems with money about ten times for every time he talks about the problems of sex.) Then there's how they treated their own dissidents and freethinkers. Um. Inquisition not good. I wish I could say the Protestants were better, but they burned Catholics. What is up with all this burning people?

That said, I don't reduce a religion to its worst components and then say "See! It's BAD!" I don't generally like doing that except with the most egregious examples of human behavior and thought. Like capitalism, fascism, Nazism, and staring at smart phones while at table.

You see, once upon a time I was a Christian, in a rather wonderful Episcopalian community that possibly saved my life, and certainly gave me kindness and stability during a very difficult time. Also, I actually loved a great deal of Christianity. It was an amicable break-up on my side, occasioned by the fact that I realized I just couldn't believe that everybody who didn't accept Jesus as Lord was going to hell. In fact, I kind of had a problem with the idea of a beneficent God creating a Hell in the first place. Eternally burning in torment? Who the hell (heh) came up with that idea? It reminds me of Bill Clinton having fantasies, after the 2008 crash, of working people murdering Lloyd Blankfein in an ally ("Don't give them anything. Even if they knifed Lloyd Blankfein in an alley, it wouldn't sate the bloodlust." For God's sake, man, leave me out of your sick fantasy life.)

So I don't have a fundamental problem with Christianity. In fact, if I had found Universalism before I left Christianity, I probably wouldn't have left.

But I find it troubling that when I Google "Christianity borrowing from other religions," what I get is a mighty backlash of attempted proofs that Christianity didn't borrow from pagan religions. Not the pagan religions around them that predated them (those of the Romans and the Greeks) and not the pagan religions in the lands they culturally colonized. This despite the fact that Christianity has a holy child born on the winter solstice. (They did not get this from the Bible. In the Bible, Jesus obviously wasn't born on the winter solstice. Sheep aren't pregnant in December, at least not in the Northern Hemisphere). They celebrate this event by bringing evergreen fir trees inside and decorating them, along with festooning the premises with holly and ivy:

The holly and the ivy,
When they are both full grown
Of all the trees that are in the wood
The holly bears the crown
O the rising of the sun
And the running of the deer
The playing of the merry organ
Sweet singing of the choir

The rising of the sun? The running of the deer?

Nothing pagan here, obviously.

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Clearly Jesus' birth was attended by the running of the deer. His birth had a lot to do with sunrise, running deer, and royal trees ("of all the trees that are in the forest/the holly bears the crown.")

Look, I'm not saying PAGAN GOOD CHRISTIAN BAD, urgh, urgh, welcome to Gorilla Theology 101. I'm just saying we should be honest. It's honest to say some pagan religions were pretty horrible and run by bastards (see my Something Old. The Aztecs were bastards. It doesn't excuse the other bastards who murdered them and obliterated their society, but the Aztecs had dealt out similar treatment to people who followed different religions than theirs.) It's honest to say Christianity has, in many times and places, behaved abominably, in ways that departed from the teachings of its holiest figure.

And it's honest to say Christianity borrowed elements from pagan religions. In fact, it's bloody obvious. They did it for political reasons, to advance their cultural domination first of the Middle East, and later of Europe, and it worked like gangbusters:

It's very tough for us North Americans to imagine Mary and Joseph trudging to Bethlehem in anything but, as Christina Rosetti memorably described it, "the bleak mid-winter," surrounded by "snow on snow on snow." To us, Christmas and December are inseparable. But for the first three centuries of Christianity, Christmas wasn't in December—or on the calendar anywhere.

December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a new festival.

That's from Christianity Today. http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/2008/august/why-december-25.html

I wish every Christian who admits to this cultural borrowing was as matter-of-fact as Christianity Today. But unfortunately, some people, beginning actually with the Puritans, decided to purge the taint of paganism from Christianity instead:

In the early 17th century in England, the Christmas season was not so different from what it is today: churches and other buildings were decorated with holly and ivy, gifts were exchanged and charity was distributed among the poor.

A holiday of generosity in midwinter. Sounds terrible.

Also much as it is today, it was a period of carousing and merriment. The weeks around Christmas were celebrated with feasting, drinking, singing and games. Mummers would blacken their faces and dress up in costumes, often in the clothes of the opposite sex, to perform plays in the streets or in homes. Carolers, too, would sing door to door as well as in the home. Wealthy lords threw open their manors, inviting local peasants and villagers inside to gorge on food and drink. Groups of young men called wassailers would march in and demand to be feasted or given gifts of money in exchange for their good wishes and songs.

Again, how horrible. Fun is terrible. And look at the temporary suspension of classism! Shocking.

My favorite part of that song is where they tell the butler he'd better bring them out the good beer. Smile

Puritans detested these sorts of activities, grumbling that Christmas was observed with more revelry than piety. Worse, they contended that there was no Scriptural warrant for the celebration of Jesus’ birth. Puritans argued (not incorrectly) that Christmas represented nothing more than a thin Christian veneer slapped on a pagan celebration. Believing in the holiday was superstitious at best, heretical at worst.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/the-puritan-war-on-christmas.html

I believe this is called being a spoilsport bullying son-of-a-bitch.

And among the Christians who admit to this borrowing, some of them are on this particular kick. That's why there's been a decline in the celebration of Halloween, though of course the stories of poisoning children with candy and putting razors in apples help. (It is not clear whether these stories are true or urban legends. Snopes says they are true, but an academic specializing in this urban legend has gone through nearly thirty years of newspaper accounts and has not verified one instance of a stranger trying to randomly hurt children by putting sharp or poisonous substances into candy.) What was once a great festival honoring death and the dead in a way that is not grim, yet at the same time does not ignore the fact of death or its fearful aspects, a holiday where strangers interacted with each other in a trusting way (like wassailing, a primary component of the holiday is knocking on people's doors and demanding food), our only holiday other than April Fool's Day which celebrates the trickster (I suppose that will be on the chopping block next) is now often celebrated by taking children to a party at the mall.

To borrow a phrase, Oy vey.

It would be so much simpler if Christianity would just admit that it borrowed those cultural elements to popularize its religion, that the strategy succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, and that, if some Christians want to return to the forms of Christian practice that pre-date this strategic syncretism, they should just do so, and stop spewing all over other people's fun.

To quote the rabbits, "Are you going to put those crosses in our warrens? We live under this hill, all right?"

Something Blue
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Let's take a moment to salute the blue whale, according to the World Wildlife Fund, the "largest animal ever to have existed" (I assume they mean in the post-dinosaur age.) They are magnificent creatures, and, though I've never seen one, it's been an honor to share the planet with them.

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This is a very cool fact about them, perhaps even more remarkable than their size:

Blue whales mostly travel alone or in groups of 2-3. Larger groups of up to 60 whales have been reported and are probably associated with feeding grounds.

However, the blue whale has the most powerful voice in the animal kingdom and its low-frequency sounds can travel in deep water over hundreds, or even thousands, of miles. Under these circumstances, animals which may appear to us to be traveling alone may actually be in constant contact with one another.

http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/cetaceans/about/blue_...

My personal salute to the blue whale:

By the way, trigger warning: some asshole took the blue whale's name and put it onto some kind of screwed-up suicide game. So if you search, you will likely be taken into those murky waters.

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This is the only time in my life I've ever felt unprepared for a hurricane.

For my entire life, people have prepped three days before. In other words, people would ordinarily start prepping this morning.

I planned to start prepping this morning, as usual.

Now it seems like I'm the only unprepped person in the state.

This is what happens when you're out of step with your society, I guess. Let's hope there's still some water, gas, and cash to be had.

I'm also unsure whether I should move heavy concrete urns and bricks into the shed, or just the more ordinary potted plants and lawn furniture. I'm also unsure whether I should tape my windows.

The thing is, there's uncertainty to the tune of 175 to 225 miles in the hurricane's track 4-5 days out (that's one reason people usually don't prep till 3 days out). It's highly unlikely Gainesville would get anything above Cat 3 winds--unless it either 1)hugs the west coast, or 2)hugs the west coast and then decides to take another sharp turn to the east and cut across the state.

Like everybody else, I'm horrified by the track usually represented, on the maps, by a red line that goes straight up the middle of the state--but my horror is more for people living points south of me, and all the places I love down there. Awful and selfish as this sounds, if Irma makes landfall in South Florida and heads up the peninsula over land at 10-14 miles per hour, its winds will not be strong enough to pick up concrete urns and hurl them at my house by the time it gets here (the rain is another story).

But if it hugs the Gulf coast, its winds will stay strong all the way up here, and we may actually experience Cat 5 winds for the first time in my life (not looking forward to that).

Well, unlike buying batteries, water, peanut butter and apples, at least the home prep can take place without danger any time up till Friday, and we'll know more by then. I think I will wait on lugging heavy concrete urns into the shed till then.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Thanks as always for a wonderful essay.

Sending good thoughts and best wishes to everyone in the path of these terrible storms and fires.

I love it when you include Eddie Izzard clips, especially from Dress to Kill which is my favorite standup comedy performance ever!

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

yourself--hope you escape the worst of it (or, all of it).

Although we also load up on batteries for flashlights, we've found it useful to keep several oil lamps on hand, since they provide really decent light (more broad) compared to most flashlights.

Without risking life and limb, try to let us know how you make out. Also, my best to all the Floridians that you ticked off above--and more, if there are any. Also, good luck to those folks in nearby states, in case Irma takes a detour.

BTW, very nice essay. Interesting topic--christianity. Guess I'll save my comments for another day, though, since I got here so late this evening.

Stay safe!

Mollie


"I think dogs are the most amazing creatures--they give unconditional love. For me, they are the role model for being alive."--Gilda Radner

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."--Will Rogers

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

CStM Signal, remember to keep back straight and lift with your legs when moving heavy objects (you're not a hurricane). Here's hoping she'll blow off energy fast and go out, it is unreal the GOES images blow my mind, especially the rainbow series. I guess you have evacuation plans too, in case they're needed. Be safe and be well. Happy Hump Day.
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THINK PEACE
Proposal for a Lasting Korea Peace Agreement: Signing of a Bilateral North-South Korea Peace Treaty

While the Moon-Putin Vladivostok talks have been officially confirmed, in all likelihood, the two delegations (North and South Korea) will also meet behind closed doors, with president Vladimir Putin potentially playing a historic role in promoting a bilateral DPRK-ROK understanding, with a view to averting a US led war.

It is important to note that president Putin had previously warned the Trump administration that “continuing hostility between the US and North Korea was close to deteriorating into a “large-scale conflict” and said the only way to de-escalate tensions was through talks”. (Daily Express, September 5, 2017)

I love saying Moon-Putin. Moon Putin Moon Putin Moon Putin Pie. Blessed are The Peace Makers, where ever they live. Thank you!

Also of significance, Japan’s Prime Minister Abe and President Putin will also be meeting in Vladivostok on September 6, on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum.

may peace prevail
good luck

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@eyo Good on you for reminding me, because I do actually have a history of some back problems.
As for Moon and Putin, that makes total sense. Neither Russia nor China actually wants the U.S. firing missiles at North Korea, or vice versa.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Houston is trashed. Florida soon will be. Montana and Oregon are on fire as is most of the west. And now earthquakes.

EARTHQUAKE SWARM CONTINUES TO SHAKE SOUTHEAST IDAHO: There have now been 116 earthquakes since Saturday night

Maybe the christian god is doing his armageddon, and people just haven't noticed.

Meanwhile, Michigan is sunny but expected to have afternoon rain with a high of 65. Surrounded by all our fresh water, Michigan is predicted to be prime real estate. We were thinking about a condo in Florida or California to escape the cold weather, but never mind.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dkmich Is Idaho fracking? Are they using injection wells?

I doubt it has much to do with Jehovah Smile

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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There sure are many different models of how it might travel through FL. It is possible they are all wrong. Regardless of the path, I hope you weather it well and safely.

As to paganism and modern religion, of course they build upon one another. Jesus birth story didn't happen in Dec... shepherds in the fields while there is snow? As you suggest they build on the older holiday, Saturnalia. Easter, the rebirth, similarly using pagan celebrations (and symbols - rabbits and eggs for fertility).

Most of the world's religions influence one another in my view. Judaism provides a core of beliefs absorbed by the Christians. I would suggest Jesus (and much of the new testament) is the Buddha come west. Islam incorporated beliefs of both Judaism and Christianity...etc. These three are certainly linked, and all influenced by ancient pagan practices. Although I don't have a problem with God or the Goddess, I don't like religion dictating to people what beliefs are right and wrong.

Take care in the coming storm! Perhaps a prayer to Chaac?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaac

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout about God has always struck me as ridiculous. In the immortal words of James T. Kirk, why does God need a starship?

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@Lookout It does seem obvious, doesn't it? I don't know why the Christians--some of them, anyway--have their back up about this.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Wouldn't snow in Bethlehem be the real miracle?
Isn't the Pentateuch just a plagiarism of the tales of Gilgamesh?
I think blue whales being the largest animal includes dinos. Though recent discoveries of super sauropods might put that into question.
Do the preppers (the real, full time peppers) stock snorkels in their bunkers?

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@ghotiphaze Snow in Bethlehem would be the real miracle, indeed.
Also ewes giving birth in December.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

crosby and nash

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@QMS
I had so forgotten that song.
Brought tears to my eyes.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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@QMS A beautiful song.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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firefox, Chrome, or any other browser of your choice, but not as a stand-alone. You can also use it ad hoc by entering www.DuckDuckGo.com on the address line of your browser and then using it's search box.

Xtianity piggybacks upon Judaism and Jesus is all over the map, at one point saying that he is here not to change his father's laws but to enforce them. Whoa! His dad was a patriarchal all conquering war god, jealous, vicious, greedy, mean, imperialist and nasty. Many of the Pagan religions were matriarchal or polytheistic and attuned to nature. While the xtians borrowed the hell out of their holidays and even rituals, they didn't adopt too many of their concepts, except maybe a little of that "peace-love-groovy" shit that keeps popping up when they aren't paying close attention to the old man's laws.

I'll stop now. Wink

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@enhydra lutris
is who is God's daddy?
And wouldn't he be even more powerful?
Shouldn't we fear Him more?
I'm hedging my bet and worshipping God's daddy instead.
/s

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@earthling1
there and got his sorry ass kicked, so he spawns a kid who says "hey, be patient, turn the other cheek and we'll get even come judgement day", "hey, give Caesar's to Caesar and we'll get even come judgement day" and all like that. It did sell all that well along god's chosen, so the kid appoints one of his hangers on to go and recruit among the goyim and boom! Holy Roman Empire and all that sorry shit.

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@enhydra lutris Holy Roman Empire is some sorry shit. And I thought so even when I was Christian.

As a priest once said, "The Age of Constantine. When, depending on your point of view, either Christianity really started taking off, or everything went to hell."

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@enhydra lutris Although if you mean Paul, I don't think Jesus exactly chose him.
My partner thinks he was a Sanhedrin plant, sent to corrupt the new religion.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@enhydra lutris As my ex-partner used to say, "Jealous bastard." He had a harsher view of Jehovah than I, though I see his point.

The thing is, that's not the only vision or version of God to come through Christianity. It's not what I experienced, or I never would have stayed there.

But yeah, if you go by the Old Testament, he's a profoundly irritating (to say the least) person. I really don't like the bit about hardening Pharoah's heart so he could show off his power by turning the Nile to blood? In what universe is that a good idea? If you have to do it to get your people out of bondage, I guess, but that's not what the book says. It says Pharoah was ready to let them go, but God hardened Pharoah's heart so he could show forth his power some more.

Then we get into killing all the first-born. Including all the first-born of animals, which always struck me as most profoundly unfair.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

For sure on turning the Nile to blood, and that whole gambling thing with Satan over Job and letting Satan inflict all kinds of misery on the poor guy, as some sort of test?

I seriously question whether or not the ancient scribes who wrote down the scriptures on paper for the first time were pressured by whatever boss they were working for to tweak a few verses here and there.

Not to mention all the subsequent translations from Sanskrit and wierd heiroglyphics down through the centuries. Lot's of room for scrivner's errors.

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@enhydra lutris Thanks for clearing that up about DuckDuckGo.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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The only violence ever perpetrated by Jesus was driving the Moneychangers out of the temple using a whip fashioned from cords.
And the Moneychangers retaliated by bribing the Roman authorities to frame Jesus for some crime against the state.
IIRC.
The only living thing on earth that could be seen from the moon WAS the Great Barrier Reef. Two thirds of it is now dead.
Glad that I had the opportunity to dive there.
Sad my children will not.
Thanks for the musings on religion.
Thanks for the OT.

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@earthling1 If you count Great Barrier Reef as one living thing, could you not do the same for forests and grasslands?

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@ghotiphaze
But the GBR is one living thing. Trillions of tiny polyps feeding from nutrients floating by and secreting calcium carbonate which builds strong bodies 12 ways..... oh wait, that's Wonderbread. Builds the structure thats supports the whole body.
Similar to the human body and it's numerous living cells contributing to the whole.
Anyway, I think it's in Guinness Book of World Records fwiw.

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Or why I started identifying as a Quaker:

Also, I actually loved a great deal of Christianity. It was an amicable break-up on my side, occasioned by the fact that I realized I just couldn't believe that everybody who didn't accept Jesus as Lord was going to hell.

So I have a chance of getting into Heaven and Mahatma Ghandi is just flat out doomed to Hell? I also had a big problem with Racist Redneck Bloodthirsty Warrior Jesus who wants Trump to nuke Korea and was ok with Obama bombarding hospitals and using drones to double tap Middle Eastern women and children because that's what it says in The Bible somewhere between the lines.

I am practicing mindfulness meditation because I am convinced that it is prayerful contemplation that God approves of.

Oh yeah, Palin, Mc Cain and Obama will never pass through the pearly gates. They will be turned back in the other direction, along with a very high percentage of preachers and lawyers.

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@Meteor Man Well, the Jesus who is OK with bombarding hospitals is not the Biblical Jesus, clearly.

Inasmuch as you have done it to the least of these my brethren, you have done it to me.

I'm a pagan, but I still remember the book.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

You know. The one with the Prosperity Gospel Chapter and Psalms of War & Napalm Proverbs.

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@Meteor Man marching as to war, with the cross of jesus...

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@Meteor Man
" But I don't like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Jesus "

Mohatma Gandhi

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@earthling1
Thx earthling1. I'm reasonably certain Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit were ok with Ghandi too. If God judges humans by their conduct and their works, Ghandi's ticket was punched by the Holy Train Conductor.

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My partners came home with dried food, including cereal, crackers, beef jerky, peanuts, peanut butter, and granola; they found water! 8 gallons. They've got cash as well.

With the stories I'd been hearing, I didn't think they'd do so well. I feel a *lot* better now that they've come home with the stuff. The only thing we don't have is a full tank of gas, but it is a hybrid, so we can make our third of a tank go longer than most. Not that we're planning to leave here.

Apparently the hundred thousand or so people coming here and/or passing through are putting a bit of additional strain on local supplies, but I'm glad they're evacuating anyway. Thank goodness. This would be a tough and scary one to ride out.

We just got our trees trimmed and gutters cleaned, so that should be at least a little helpful.

Here's shouting out to cybrestrike, orlbucsfan, lunachickie and Alphalop. Alphalop, I hope you've got your plan and are well out of the danger zone. Thoughts going out to you!

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Don't waste time here trying to respond to everyone.
We'll just talk amongst ourselves. Fine fine.
I'd put together a backpack with dry clothes, snacks, and water in case you have to leave on foot in a hurry. Never know.
Good luck and take care.

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