The State Of Jefferson‽

          It suddenly (about 10 minutes ago) occurred to me that the readers of this blog may not be aware of the significance of moving from Kearney, Nebraska to Medford, Oregon.
          I am not just moving from the High Plains to a mountainous Mediterranean environment. I am also moving into the heart of "The State Of Jefferson" and as a "free thinking", socialistic, atheistic native of Oregon this is a big deal.

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Cassiodorus's picture

The merciless slave-owner who raped his slaves?

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"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg

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Most people don't have too much trouble separating the ideals from the very flawed man who wrote and expressed them.

The only slave Jefferson was known to be sexually involved with was Sally Hemings - and there were a number of special considerations, including that she was his deceased wife's half-sister. What Sally thought about it, we don't really know (Madison Hemings left a few hints that she drove a hard bargain regarding returning from France with the Jefferson family). http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/cron/1873march.html

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

standards, most husbands at least up to the 2nd world war were guilty of rape, in that their wives had little or no choice in the matter, and were effectively prisoners of their circumstances, if not de facto slaves.

the biggest problem with leftist micro-sociology is that it likes to define away the realities of human experience and psychology in order to satisfy, tautologically, its ideological (and in particular, moral) constraints.

Sally Hemings may well have fallen head over heels in love with Thomas Jefferson, and she may well have adored him as their relationship went on -- as you say, we will never know. Those who understand the world through ideological abstractions simply define this away, by stating categorically that it is impossible for a slave to love, in any mode, the slave's owner. Love gets redefined to mean something beyond the emotional experience: the emotional experience burdened with the context of the power-balance of the social and economic relationship between the two individuals. And so I repeat: By that standard, scarcely a woman ever loved a man through the last 2 millennia of western civilization.

A few months back, there was a lot of outrage over a children's book that portrayed a "happy" slave, "happily" preparing a cake for George Washington. I believe the book was eventually pulled from the shelves. I didn't ever read the book, and I rather doubt most of the outraged folk did either, but the essential character of their complaint was bizarre. They seemed outraged at the notion that a human being in bondage might nonetheless take pride in mastery of a craft -- that there could ever be any moment of personal satisfaction in the life of a slave. This is beyond silly. We know damned well that people in all degrees of servitude (which includes pretty much every person in our society who is not self-employed and with sufficient financial security to tell a significant fraction of potential customers to take a hike) take pride in their accomplishments, in their skills, in their mastery, in their expertise and knowledge. We also know damned well that people in all degrees of servitude (or enforced social inferiority of any kind) can respect, admire, and even love the people whom they serve, or to whom they must defer as a matter of caste.

I'm not saying it's right that they should -- like most Americans, I'm very uncomfortable with the general notion of social inferiority. It's a common enough theme in the literary genre of american-fish-out-of-water for an American to find himself stomping bullishly through a British or European social milieu, baffled by the docility of the socially inferior and the casual (and empirically baseless) condescension of the socially superior. Usually, the narrative portrays the primary victim of the American's native democratic behavior to be the inferior person, who is at best embarrassed at being pushed forward into behaving outside the established cultural boundaries.

I also suggest that it's a bit over the top to describe Jefferson as "merciless". He may have been less merciful than suits our own moral standards, but such evidence as is available suggests he was rather more merciful than most of his contemporaries, and not only with respect to his treatment of Monticello's slaves.

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          For some very specific reasons (as I will write about in the future) reality is a vital part of my life. So I am referencing the real Tomas Jefferson, in full context and not just the selective romanticized version favored by those that are smarter than the academics.

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I spent nearly 40 years living in the shadow of T.J.'s Monticello home. That kind of culture is not going to take root in Oregon or Northern California. The "State of Jefferson" would immediately become the poorest State in the Nation and would be ruled by TParty Republicans.
I'm living N.E. of Sacramento now and the "State of Jefferson" advocates couldn't get enough signatures in our county to qualify for the ballot. Besides, what sort of state seal is a pair of X's?

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          For the first two decades of my life I lived among the self-proclaimed "disenfranchised" of Oregon. I have interacted with such people of and on during the intervening 47 years. The anatomy (or should I say the pathology) of this sort of delusional thinking is fascinating in a morbid sort of way.
          I think the "State of Jefferson" would fail in a much more catastrophic mode than if it were founded by mere TParty Republicans. While these people may identify with TParty Republicans, I think they take crazy to a much higher level, in the same way that Trump is so much more than Sarah.

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I didn't know about the State of Jefferson until it came up in the media coverage of the Malheur NWR occupation. They declared independence ten days before the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941, which must count as the absolute worst historical timing. But Jefferson is remembered in Oregon and northern California. There is a Wikipedia article.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

Bag the State of Jefferson and hold out for the nation of Ecotopia.

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was required reading in a couple of classes I had at Humboldt State in the late 70s.

There was also a popular t-shirt with the California Bear tearing the State in half ("free the north").

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Did you ever play the Oregon Trail computer game?

I ask because you're essentially tracing over the Oregon Trail's exact route with your move.

The game is an old MS-DOS abandonware and you can get it from places like http://www.myabandonware.com/ . To run it, you'll need either a system running DOS (gaaakk!!) or an emulator like DosBox (MUCH mo'betta!!).

The game is a simulator of traveling the Oregon Trail in 1848. You might get a kick out of the comparison between the pioneers' experience and yours!

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          We have lived most of our lives along the Oregon Trail. We have a lot of stories to tell about the Umatilla Landing and the Grande Ronde Valley. We have traveled (via automobile along nearby roads) the various routes called The Oregon Trail. We plan to study (and hope to walk some of) the Applegate Trail between its cutoff point on the California Trail into the Bear Creek Valley of Oregon. My father's side of the family walked into Summit County Utah via the Mormon Trail.

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Bisbonian's picture

I used to play in a different band that he led.

https://www.facebook.com/Sons-of-Jefferson-118029741560655/

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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          But, now that I am moving back into the area I will have to make a point of catching their act.

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