They've really got their knickers in a knot this time
Over at TOP they're taking pot shots at Bernie because of an interview he did today with Andrea Mitchell. They called him "Delusional", "Sore loser", "Mean SOB", and that was just in the first 75 words.
The backing piece is no better. Chris Cillizza wrote the most dunderheaded assessment I've read in a while.
What he's saying -- if you read between the lines -- is that the ball is in Clinton's court when it comes to winning his endorsement. Not only does he think she needs to come to him, but he also believes she still has to prove that she is "prepared to stand with them [the American people], as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college."
Well, DUH, Chris. What is an endorsement, anyway? It's a guide to your supporters that their concerns will be addressed by a new candidate. The real delusional people are the ones who expect Sanders to endorse a candidate who HAS NOT offered to address their concerns. That's all fine and well when the candidate endorsing hasn't brought any new voters into the picture. A subset of the rank and file should be expected to toe the line. But a candidate who has brought new voters into voting Democratic has an obligation to those voters not to give them bad advice.
This is the exact same self-entitled crap that says the Independents should vote with the Democratic party but not in their primaries; Hillary expects to receive the Sanders Seal of Approval without indicating that she has altered her outlook or embraced his views.
When asked by Andrea Mitchell whether he'd endorse Clinton, Bernie said:
Politics is not a baseball game with winners or losers. What politics is about is whether we protect the needs of millions of people in this country who are hurting.
Seems clear enough to me. Automatic endorsements, before the convention even, are a result of winner/loser mentality. Policy leads the discussion on Bernie endorsement. Cillizza's take on this is astoundingly dense, for someone who gets paid by the Washington Post:
Again, the belief undergirding Sanders's comments is that he alone -- and, therefore, not Clinton -- is the person who can bring transformational change to end the "decline of the American middle class." That Clinton is either insufficiently committed to doing so or simply incapable of bringing that sort of change about. That she sees politics as "a baseball game of winners and losers" while he sees it as "protect[ing] the needs of millions of people in this country who are hurting."
Wow. Chris, apparently it's YOU who see politics as a game of winners and losers. That there are people in this country who are hurting is a secondary concern to you, because Hillary needs an endorsement, now!
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Sod TOP!!!
I mean, seriously, can we stop talking about that god awful locale??
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Every once in awhile...
It's very instructional to watch them melt down from time to time. IMO, they're melting down at all because that "55% of Sanders supporters are going for Clinton already" propaganda was complete bullshit, and anyone who didn't have a vested interest in believing it knew it was complete bullshit.
And it really bugs them when their spin tanks. I did so used to enjoy needling a couple of them whenever it happened, because you could just see them frothing at the mouth while they typed their endless little self-absorbed temper tantrums.
what Trump is to ToP
ToP is to caucus99%.
We really give them too much visibility. On the other hand, ToP isn't running for president. At least not this year.
Another Refugee from the Great Orange Purity Troll
ToP is an active agent of HRC running for pres
And I like to refer to them as Orange State (Orange being just a shade off from Red. Seems to fit as they are both in the tank for HRC and right-wing fiscal & war-mongering policies)
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
You might think
that being aligned behind the same candidate and policies as RedState would give them pause, but no.
I can't remember the last time I've seen such a frightening display of mass self-delusion.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
They're doing it for the bank account bumps
it's not blind self-delusion, it's intentional. Well, for most of them, anyway. But some of them are pretty scary with mere words, you wonder how they put one foot in front of the other and walk forward sometimes...
It's never a bad idea to know your enemy...
and make no mistake about it, while they may claim to be on "Our Side", the neo-liberals that KNOWINGLY support Clinton despite all her anti-progressive stances are just as much our enemy as any Republican. Actually probably worse because they are the enemy within....
I don't see a problem with people occasionally pointing out the silliness and delusion that goes on at TOP, if for no other reason than to remind us of how good we got it here.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
That's how they see us
THEY see US as their enemies. Why not treat them the same?
I hope everyone was able to see the gist of the article, that the Democrats are trying to force an endorsement. It's not really about the "Orange State" website but rather the content they choose to discuss. I could have left that part out and referenced only the Cillizza article and it would still be the same.
F the F'n D's
Cilizza has always been a dunderhead
only in corporate America could he and Blitzer have those jobs
To be fair, Shah...
Economists have always had it that way.
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Oh I don't know
about that I'm sure the Guardian would would hire them in a second . Maybe not Wolfie as he's almost a drooler but Chris Cilizza, he's right up their alley. They have Richard Wolfe as an Election 2016 American 'reporter'. Not as a political hack but a 'reporter' a journalist . Whatever happened to Spenser Ackerman? hummm..
Maybe not the BBC they like their idiots and shills to speak proper BBC. Only Kristian Foden-Vencil's need apply It's not really corporate America it's globalized corporate media both online and off and they all are pumping the propaganda and misinformation.
This Richard Wolfe:
And he is a freaking plagiarist as well.
Two years later Keith Oberman 'left' MSNBC. The next day we took our Comcast cable box back.
The deafness and willful
The deafness and willful blindness is staggering.
How about a Demexit?
Demexit has a nice ring to it
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I dunno, "Dexit" might be even better...
less syllables.
It does kinda roll off the tongue.
I for one am waiting till after the convention, but my Dexit is gonna happen regardless.
Even if Sanders wins, the Democratic party as a whole has shown it's true colors and there is not a doubt in my mind that they would work to undo any positives Sanders could implement the minute they could regain control of the party.
Let them have their silly, corrupt social club.
My Dexit is inevitable, now it is just a matter of timing.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
All they've got is OMG! Trump! That's it. To them that's
everything.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
yes, they've got "OMG Trump!" because they don't want...
to talk about Hillary, pro or con. They don't want anyone asking what she'd do as President or where she stands on any issue. People can have opinions on issues and if she had a stance she might alienate potential voters.
Trump is imploding
Donald Trump is imploding. 70 percent of Americans hate him. He hasn't got even the beginnings of a national campaign. He could make a comeback, but those high negatives! I am tempted to believe the theory that the Clintons talked Trump into running.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Hillary isn't in very good shape herself. Both campaigns are
using fear and loathing. Terrorism can work for either party, even though most violence isn't terrorism related. Fear and loathing--that's all they've got.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I see no reason...
To visit TOP or have any concerns over what anyone has to say there...
Anyone with a lick of common sense hasn't been there in 3 1/2 months...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
I sorta agree...
I don't even go there on my weekly masochism tour anymore.
Not because it's not abusive enough, simply because the conversation has become so vacuous that it is just not worth the time.
If I am gonna get annoyed reading shit online to learn what my opponents think I may as well stick with the regular RW tripe, at least their shit, while delusional generally as well at least touches on a few bits of real information.
All the "Rah!Rah! Hillary is the BESTEST!" stuff that just regurgitates Clinton camp talking points and soundbites is pretty much useless.
Well, except for the occasional semi-drunken passive aggressive troll trolling.
I would be a liar if I said I never did that.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Going To Orange State...
Is like having a conversation with a Teabagger...
Those "friends" that sent long picture and GIF laden Murica e-mails every day, back in the Clinton & Bush administration years that strangled your dial up connection, and got left behind 4 or 5 e-mail addresses ago...
They still have their guns, and the latest Obama Birth Certificate wasn't passing the sniff test, any attempt to have a discussion with them about a misstatement one of their FWD... FWD... FWD... FWD News Items would go Galloping Gish or Circular Argument in 15 seconds...
It is sad because Orange State used to be my 1st choice of Alternative & Political News Outlets now it is nothing more than a Right Wing Propaganda Outlet with a "Loose" Sphincter Muscle....
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Check this out... it should put a smile on your face.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailykos.com
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
That curve looks
Just like Hillary's favorability rating.
pretty bad isn't it....
There is so little justice in the world. It is always nice when a little bit falls into your lap.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
DKMich, this song might totally match your mood....
I love this one.
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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Man, I wish I could throw the cash away on the full report...
It would almost be worth it just to see the other metrics....
Maybe we should crowd source that after the convention and all the bots/paid trolls disappear. I bet the numbers would be illuminating.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
They've been spamming me for cash the last few days
Despite being asked repeatedly not to. I suppose that's what the gmail "report spam" button is for...
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Here is something worth thinking about...
One of the ingredients of page rank and search engine visibility is quality backlinks, some websites attempt to gain these using spammers to flood forums and comments with links to their site, which actually backfires in the algorithm when it is recognized as a spammy backlink vs a true organic backlink which is gold...
Why should we help them out by providing backlinks?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
And oh how true this is: (from Alexa)
How fast does dailykos.com load?
Slow (2.931 Seconds), 78% of sites are faster.
Call me morbid
I stopped by a couple of times after my departure. The quality and quantity of posts and comments reminded me of Red State. DU member posts and comments have also taken a nose dive as Bernie supporters find a new home. Without a membership to the site you referenced, it is not possible for me to check.
My thanks to those who suggested this site.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
And I think the paid trolls...
still employed by Hillary's Super PAC. Watch what happens when they are no longer getting a paycheck. I also check https://www.quantcast.com/dailykos.com When someone first posted the link for that site and I clicked on it, TOP was ranked 150. That was about 3 months ago, today they are 263.
That really is an incredible decline for website that usually sees it's highest traffic during an election, particularly a presidential one.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Veruca Salt - There's no way I won't be the nominee
I want it NOW!
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Perfect, MsGrin! n/t
These establishment people
These establishment people are apparently encased in an almost impenetrable bubble. They can't hear the majority of Americans at all. And why are they whining about Bernie? They have signaled that he and his supporters won't get anything from them, despite a very successful and impressive campaign that brought progressive issues to the forefront, overcoming a corporate media blackout. In exchange for nothing they deserve nothing!
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Daily Kos 2016
Well, now they have their knickers in a knot about us!
I won't link, don't give them the traffic. Something, something, pure white male BernieBros something.
Have we gained a bunch more members that we're threatening TOP's popularity or something?
They couldn't be blaming us for their own downfall, could they?
Note to TOP leaders: If you want to increase popularity, stop smearing everyone who is not you, and enough with the echo chamber already!
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TOP is a study in hypocrisy
One of the most shameful ideological sellouts I ever saw was reflected hideously at TOP after Obama was elected the first time: a couple hundred two-faced regulars, sincere "anti-war progressives" one and all, turned out to be anti-Republican, not anti-war. Since then they whine and mewl over acts of savagery where the victims are "worthy victims", but the many more numerous victims of illegal US military aggression? They are ignored and erased from history.
Pinches derechistas culeros, nunca valieron verga. Excuse my french.
I don't know how much overlap there is with Reddit sites, but
it would be interesting to know how many combined individuals are between the two sites. k4r being the biggest nest for exiles. But there are other sites too, maybe some in the left hand column Jtc is building for us.
I would argue this though: I have sweet, smart, intelligent friends who are hearing nothing but fear mongering about Trump. They are so frightened of his fascism that Hillary looks better. The lesser of two evils isn't even the thing: they can't and don't want to believe that she (and Bill) can be that bad. And they don't perceive anywhere else to go.
I engaged one on the topic, and she was so emotionally frightened I closed my mouth. There is no gentle option. She happens to be a single, 55ish, woman without a safety net trying to make ends meet with three part time jobs.
I think we should check in on various sources of Hillary support and reports so we know what is going on. To ignore the elephant in the living room, imho, is a mistake. We must know what we are facing.Reading without a spike in blood pressure, well, deep breathing, yoga, a smoke, and staying logged out but reading not commenting may be the answer.
My urge right now after reading very smart people here is too urge Sanders to register for write in on the 43 states which allow it. The seven that don't are small, several Southern. I think it could matter.
I guess he has to see the convention through, but an not so sure of that. Jeremy Corbyn won't back off and he just lost his own party. So why not start the process to get on all 43 ballots?
Jill Stein is in on somewhere around 24-25 states and climbing. But slowly for this round.
Just trying to figure out the next steps instead of the limbo we seem to be in. And do I ever hate to sit around like a deer in the headlights waiting for the oncoming train.
My .02¢
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He was a beaut. We rescued him from a county shelter. He
was maybe two or so. His back to us in his kennel, so depressed. The other dogs, a lot of Pit and Pit mixes, were jumping at their gates to say hi. Not Harry. He was skinny too. Was brought in by a lady who thought she had hit him as he was in busy city traffic with only an old ratty collar and no ID.
He lived to run. That's how we finally figured he was a mix of some Northern breed (up turned tail), and intense focus, like a shepherd but no herding in him. His reward was anything that resulted in running. That included Chuck-its and night ball.
He contracted Giardia: ten vets and multiple rounds of Flagyl, which his bugs were resistant to, and the poor guy finally died at the one vet who knew what to do. We had five minutes to say good bye to our pal who loved us with all his heart, and it was a big one.
We had a custom harness made for a road cross bike, and he mushed my DH. Dog was happy, DH was tired. We clocked his sprints at 25mph and ran him four miles at 15 with no signs of stopping. We were worried about his pads, but he was bullet proof.
The dog park at Seattle's Sammamish parkway was where he got it. Horrible year long battle. Vets were horrible. Some even said it was a spiritual problem. My a$$.
Northerns take a long time to bond, but once they do, they look into your eyes and soul like no other. And he loved for us to be on the floor with him giving hugs. At the end, he tried so hard not to bother us, but he was miserable. I still cry over Harry, cut down in his fifth year.
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