Thursday Open Thread 7-5-2018


Morning. Came across an interesting article in The Atlantic last week, The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy The class divide is already toxic, and is fast becoming unbridgeable. You’re probably part of the problem. To reach more policy makers or circumvent them, we need to understand this societal group.

The article and facts presented is worth a stand-alone diary. Maybe someone has the time to break it apart into digestible chunks.

audio recording about an hour and half.

China Continued
The videos are brief timeline of Dynasties starting with Qin Shi Huang founder of the Qin Dynasty in 221 BC. The only dynasty to use legalism as the primary ruling philosophy. He also ended the system of feudalism that had started in the Zhou Dynasty 800 years earlier.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPovbqhG1TA]

China has been on the receiving end of Gun Boat diplomacy since the early 1800's. They are not naive about the consequences of not complying with the desires of the West regarding trade or territory. Missionaries came with the Gun Boats.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kUJtNRtIkI]

Empress Dowager Cixi of the Qing (Ching)Dynasty was only one of several women who governed China.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOw95DBJqX4]

Interesting history of the Korean War coming to light as scholars explore Russian archives.

Now, another causative factor has been proposed: The Soviet dictator wanted to pin Beijing down in a major ground war in order to prevent Chinese reunification. This thesis is advanced in the just-completed “The World and the Korean War” (Korean language; publication pending; Seoul).
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“Stalin’s main concern was not North Korea or the Korean peninsula, but Northeast China,” Ra told Asia Times. “Stalin had obtained special concessions in Northeast China from the Chiang Kai-shek government in 1945, which Chiang, because of his weak position, had offered.”

The concessions included exclusive rights to rail lines and harbors in Northeast China, an area in which Russia had traditionally held deep interest: It had been the key loci of the Russo-Japanese War. However, when Mao seized control of mainland China in 1948, he refused to honor the agreement.
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Winners and losers

The under-the-radar winner was the USSR, which had weakened America and dented US prestige at the cost of virtually no Soviet blood and minimal Soviet gold. China could legitimately claim to have fought the US to a standstill, sparking a virile new national pride, which resounds to this day.

For the first time in her history, America had been unable to prevail in war. The Korean model of “limited war” would resume a decade later, to even more disastrous effect, in Vietnam.

Farm Report
Perseverance and dedication. This guy has been in the center of the road for the last three weeks to lead the vehicles away from the nest. Today saw him, mom and the baby at the side of the road. By the time I turned around for the picture the other two had disappeared into the grass. He was standing and watching to access the danger.

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All the pipes are changed and up to pressure. Provides a good feeling of accomplishment for the day.
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Noam claims it is the upper 20% that holds sway as he says (@ 1.5 min) early in this synopsis of clips explaining his concept of manufacturing consent
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTBWfkE7BXU]

I've been enjoying your China expose, and learning more about that evolving culture.

Things look good on your farm. We are wild and woolly with all the rain...another 0.5 inches yesterday. Surprisingly we've had little disease problems, but the fungus is among us - and we're harvesting chanterelles. We preserve the excess by sauteing them lightly and freezing them. So far we have 3 gallons of blueberries in the freezer in addition to eating lots of them. Summer crops are just now coming in...tomatoes, squash, and so on.

All the best to all of you.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout are so interesting. I just learned that sunning mushrooms for 2 days will increase their vitamin D content. Apparently they can make vitamin D the same way our skin does. I sunned some mushrooms last week when it was so hot. I forgot to place them gills-up though, and I see that it is possible to increase the vitamin D by slicing them.
I can't vouch for the accuracy here, but it is intriguing: https://wildfoodism.com/2014/09/29/5-unique-health-benefits-of-the-maita...

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@Lookout so many times, I am always amazed how many people are unaware or uncaring. Looking at how Christian messages through Missionaries are used to disrupt a society is easier to see in a non-christian country such as China. One can spot how the push of the prosperity gospel and Right to Life message in the US was used to reduce the power of Churches who participated in Civil Rights and poverty eradication. Working with compassionate christian groups is part of our box of tools to push back the oligarchy and global corporatism. I left the local church as the property gospel moved into the area and went to self education. Significant differences in the acctual language of the texts in various versions of the Bible. Noticeable when reading verse for verse simultaneously in multiple official versions. "It says in the Bible" depends upon which Bible one reads.

Are the chanterelles native or did they get a little help from you? I am working on preparing an microclimate that will stay moist enough to support a colony or two of gourmet mushrooms. Have several types that grow in the fields. Need to find a local mycologist expert to help identify the safe to eat varieties.

May the good harvest continue.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner leads to more corruption. As the video points out Rick Scott is one of the largest fraudsters of government healthcare with no consequences. Our method of removal of children into foster care for profit has expanded to immigrants. There are multiple levels one can extract a profit. Nothing to do with the health and benefit of a nation and its citizens.

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Has become the Military's ONLY policy. The idea that somehow it's more moral to ignore what the people want and kill enemies anyway because you HAVE to is very Roman.

A little town called Messina comes to mind.

Course, that's all ancient history. Which Most Americans steadfastly refuse to read.

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@detroitmechworks populations as one side of the team. Any opposing war voices that may lead to other societal changes are suppressed domestically. In fact fact fear of an enemy has created acceptance of greater government and corporate control of our lives to create a sense of stability. Total war would disrupt our lives, more people may realize what is happening and en masse they can effect change.

Sorry I will miss the get together this weekend. The holiday highway traffic is pretty heavy and don't plan on joining the masses on the road.

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@studentofearth And set a plate for the friends that couldn't make it.

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and our new gilded age vid on my viewing list for this evening. Thanks for the essay and links.

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@randtntx glad you stopped by and left a note.

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does not appear to be a heroic rescue team on site. Instead multilevel planning to keep the boys safe as possible.

Medicine and food are now being transported to the scene, and a backup plan would have the boys waiting it out in the cave until October or November. A four month supply of provisions and medicine has already been assembled should it come to that.

But Thai officials would rather that not be the case. Rear Admiral Apakorn Yuukongkaew, who’s commanding the Thai SEALs unit, admitted that weather is an ongoing concern, but he said the boys will be taken out safely as soon as sufficient water has been removed from the cave.

“But if that doesn’t work, with the seasonal rain, we’ll do it another way,” Yuukongkaew told reporters on Tuesday. “We have ‘Plan A’ and ‘Plan B’, and ultimately, everyone will return to their parents’ embrace.”

A nurse and doctor joined the rescue team inside the cave. Boys are being taught to swim. Scuba gear for children is being assembled. Water pumped from the cave. A static rope secured form outside into the cave. Thai speaking divers gathered to assist each boy through the water when the time is right.

4 months of food and water already gathered if staying becomes the plan. The photos show smiling people doing their tasks. Not the normal emergency feeling of drama.

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around us.
Syracuse Bridge Collapse

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[edit] Fixed Link

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clicked on "Syracuse bridge collapse" and got a Gallup poll on health care.
BTW, is the Syracuse newspaper still mimeographed? It was last time I was there, but that was 1980.

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and, no, not mimeographed,
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but the 'cuse had two newspapers in those days, morning and evening.
Now down to one - the Sub-Standard - which is clinging on to dear life.
I will miss them - paper Newspapers - if they go before I do.
An iPad just doesn't cut it as replacement for the real deal over a cup of coffee at the local diner. Not even close.

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@Wink does not appear to be as stable as the ancient Romans.

The researchers’ analysis of Roman concrete sheds light on existing modern concrete blends that have been used as more environmentally friendly partial substitutes for Portland cement, such as volcanic ash or fly ash from coal-burning power plants. Monteiro and his colleagues also suggest that adopting materials and production techniques used by the ancient Romans could produce longer-lasting concrete that generates less carbon dioxide. Monteiro estimates that pozzolan, which can be found in many parts of the world, could potentially replace “40 percent of the world’s demand for Portland cement.” If this is the case, ancient Roman builders may be responsible for making a truly revolutionary impact on modern architecture–one massive concrete structure at a time.

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Ed Schultz died at his home this morning, apparently from natural causes. He was only 64 years old. Sad

https://tvline.com/2018/07/05/ed-schultz-dies-msnbc-rt-america-host-dead...

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Ed was one of my hometown boys (like Jesse Ventura is), being from Minnesota. He had a YouTube show "Ed Schultz News and Commentary" between MSNBC and RT and I didn't miss any of them. He told us about his wife's battle with cancer but did not know he had any health issues.

Lost a great journalist.

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@gulfgal98 time with his Grandkids Hope he was able to create some great memories for them.

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Sometimes what I see here lingers and then pops up much later to lend insights.

So, from the Asian point of view, the entire US-concocted Vietnam War was merely a continuation of the Korean War, after a brief pause? A faction of the neocon military wanted to rehabilitate their ignoble defeat in Korea before retirement swallowed their shit-for-brains legacy whole?

I have the impression that Americans at the time, would have never given that notion a single thought. WWII and Korea was ancient history. They were done with foreign adventures for good. They were standing on the threshold of the twentieth century and flying cars. Their only weakness was that they still blindly believed and obeyed authority, even before the brainwashing began in earnest. Subversive groups like the Counsil on Foreign Relations had it good. They had the innocence of the early decades of the century to incubate and then infiltrate the Federal government.

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@Pluto's Republic of Vietnam War than myself. Leaned a lot from diaries and their experiences.

Wikipedia mentions the US was paying most of the cost of the conflict by 1954. Why? is a good question.

Unlikely alliances had to be made between left- and right-wing parties in order to form a government invested by the National Assembly, resulting in parliamentary instability, with fourteen prime ministers in succession between 1947 and 1954's Battle of Dien Bien Phu. The rapid turnover of governments (there were 17 different governments during the war) left France unable to prosecute the war with any consistent policy, according to veteran General René de Biré (who was a lieutenant at Dien Bien Phu).[71] France was increasingly unable to afford the costly conflict in Indochina and, by 1954, the United States was paying 80% of France's war effort, which was $3,000,000 per day in 1952.[72][73]

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High-income Americans are feeling the most upbeat in records going back to 2004.

Sentiment among those with annual household incomes of more than $100,000 jumped to 84.3 in the week ended July 1, the Bloomberg Consumer Comfort Index showed Thursday.

Tax cuts, rising household wealth and a solid job market are among reasons why consumers may be more sanguine, though the brighter mood doesn’t extend to those with the least pay. The comfort index for those with incomes below $15,000 fell to a three-month low of 29.4 out of a possible 100 points.

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what they're smoking!
@gjohnsit
Nobody earning $15,000 /yr. has any "comfort level." None.

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@gjohnsit were very clear and concise. If one was in a discussion with a 9.9%er there are examples of several places to puncture the delusions.

So what kind of characters are we, the 9.9 percent? We are mostly not like those flamboyant political manipulators from the 0.1 percent. We’re a well-behaved, flannel-suited crowd of lawyers, doctors, dentists, mid-level investment bankers, M.B.A.s with opaque job titles, and assorted other professionals—the kind of people you might invite to dinner. In fact, we’re so self-effacing, we deny our own existence. We keep insisting that we’re “middle class.”

One area not discussed is those living on pensions and the jealousy that has arisen. To receive $2,000 a month income from 1.2 million dollars, without touching principle, a 2% rate of return is required. A pensioner may look at $2,000 and say that is not enough to live on and someone with 1.2 million to invest could have the same viewpoint.

As of 2016, it took $1.2 million in net worth to make it into the 9.9 percent; $2.4 million to reach the group’s median; and $10 million to get into the top 0.9 percent.

We are still ignoring the really high pensions that are distorting the system and used as examples by commentators. Add less revenue available for local projects and schools to the mix. Result anger on every side of the issue and groups of voters to manipulate.

Once legislators and judges were added to the system any fiscally prudent change became almost impossible.

Oregon’s unusual method for calculating pensions tends to generate lavish payouts.

For decades, PERS calculated pensions two different ways, and retirees could choose whichever produced the bigger numbers.

The first way was similar to what most states do, basing pensions on each worker’s final salary and years of service. But Oregon’s lawmakers included a golden touch, redefining “salary” to include remuneration from any source.

P.S. Keep your economic lessons coming. Find them useful.

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@Wink Learned a lot from him and his courage of reporting.

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@Wink Saddened by the loss of such a truthful voice.

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@gjohnsit the truth. Growth by tax breaks and government handouts are over for Tesla with current leadership.

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I should not have been surpriseed to see that the 9.9% have as much fear as the rest of us. While we may scoff at their threatened loss of privilige, to them that loss is existentially real - as real as Archie Bunker defending his home value from neighborhood "busters"
Ironic - the 9.9% set up education as a wall to protect themselves (really their children) from the uneducated masses, but that very education will inevitably produce the automation that will destroy that wall. (My chemical engineer friend is right; what will happen to him when a high school grafuate with an ipad can do his job?)(maybe not the top 1% of his job, but the basic parts of it)
Suddenly political caution makes a new sort of sense. When inequality boils over the surest losers will be the 9.9%. If we want to preserve humanity we have to find a way to limit their losses, since they are also the doctors and (by education though not class) engineers and research scientists, etc.

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@doh1304 we are all on the same sinking boat. the life rafts are for the 1% and those who are of direct use ro them. If we can repair the ship the life rafts will not be needed.

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What a loss. I wonder about what are the "natural causes?" Sad

But I am still going to share the gardening pictures from my beloved Aunt Joyce (in her 80s) who is still on the farm in northeast SD. She is my gardening muse. Love her dearly.

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She gave me permission to share with you. Here is what she said about garden progress so far.

The carrots are on this side of the tomatoes and cukes, its a covered space for sure planted too much in my little area Maybe a side picture would have been better but this is it. I have little peppers on, half grown, picked a half pail of peas tis morning and the cabbage is ready if anyone wants some.I have a blight in the some of the tomatoes so I am treating them and they are all improving. One other year I had the same trouble and I have forgotten what they are lacking in the soil. Had 3/10ths of moisture this morning, much needed some had more some less.

Read most of the article. My inlaws are in that 9.9% group. My husband has one foot in there too. Really good food for thought. They are pretty much oblivious to the state of the world.

Gardening . . . I am starting seeds and replanting. Killing squash bugs every day pays off because I have gobs of two varieties of butternut squash. They might be almost done. Tomato crop is terrible, but I treasure each tomato. Am replanting tomatoes from Iraq, Bali, Italy, and Thailand.

All hail the Armenian Cucumber!!!! They are actually a melon. My daughter calls them a "fruit cucumber." I like eating them raw, but am about to pickle some. They are giant and they are prolific.

And again . . . I love learning about China.

Thank you! Have a great evening everyone!

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@mhagle Thank her for sharing.

Sometimes individual only learn by experience, not by the lessons we try and teach. Best we can do is provide an example they may remember when coping skills are needed. But it can feel very lonely seeing into an unpleasant future.

I remember my Grandmother declining to attend a wedding for a cousin. The reason she gave me was it was too sad for her to see a familiar pattern restarting. Sounded like a weak excuse to me, but as time passed it did repeat a pattern I see in other family members unhealthy relationships.

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I suspect you are mostly replying to my coping essay from earlier this week.

Hmmm . . . I just felt like it was OK to be a bit vulnerable here. Sometimes I look back on old comments and it seems like maybe I project the idea of having it all figured out. Well, I don't. This form of communication is so 2D, when in reality, our lives are 3D and 4D. We are all a mixed bag of past experiences, present, and perceptions of the future. Not to dimish the PTSD experienced by our war veterans, but many of us here probably also have PTSD. I was raised by straight-laced loving parents who were also raised by straight-laced loving parents. But then a bunch of family members die too young. Then I married a dude who kicked the shit out of me and scared the hell out of me - took me 17 years before I found the courage and opportunity to escape. That was 24 years ago and the present reality is wonderful. I try not to think about the past, and don't much, but you can't help but be haunted by it.

We who occupy this realm of cyberspace are all haunted by something probably. And we all have the right-brained functions that allow us to truly see the big picture. I don't know if that is a gift or a curse.

I unpublished my coping essay because it was really only meant for c99 eyes.

Not sure if I interpreted your comment correctly. Leading by example is very good advice. Wish you a wonderful day and weekend!

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