Jill Stein spending six days in Burlington, Vt beginning today. What's up?
Submitted by vl baker on Fri, 07/15/2016 - 7:23am
Really interesting chess going on. In video below Claudia Stauber gives a very interesting analysis of Bernie's and Jill's recent moves. Take a look at Jill's events page. Vermont is a great place to vacation but the timing here is just a little suspicious.
I'm giving my first Green party donation today.
What do you guys think?
Comments
It's just possible that Sen. Sanders has not made up his mind
yet and he's keeping open the few options remaining to him.
By meeting Jill Stein for an extended period, it keeps Clinton from trashing the platform yet and keeps Clinton from assuming her comfortable neoliberal stance.
It's also possible that Stein and Sanders are making final offers and counter-offers and assessing the situation regarding Trump and his perceived distance from the billionaires behind the Republican party.
Who knows? It's more of a good thing than a bad thing in my view and keeps Clinton slightly off balance and more circumspect than she would be.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Off-balance
for sure--that's why we'll start seeing things like DK posters posting fear diaries over and over again.
All I can say to this is "GOOD". All the way around. Having options is a good thing
Lol, when does Hillary ever
Lol, when does Hillary ever move out of her comfortable neoliberal stance? But I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie had a few unicorns up his sleeve - and Jill is running, something people are only just beginning to hear anything about.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Below is Mikki Willis video, referred in Claudia's video above
Black hole, called it!
So many being drawn to the Clinton orbit why not? It is easy $200k or so. Bernie got a book deal woo!
I did lol when I heard Bernie is "also utilizing the enormous power of the Clinton machine that is directly connected to the military, to BigPharma, to BigOil, to Wall Street. Utilizing that leverage to implement as much change as he can." Go Bernie
I think the camera guy swallowed a new speaking matrix! Mmm koooool-aid. Or maybe I'm supposed to think it is Clinton's "make me" FDR moment? Hope springs eternal too bad I'm mortal.
Peace & Love
The more they try to spin it.
The worse it looks.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
cameraman/videographer
I don't see anything confirming he is/was Bernie's cameraman.
Mikki Willis bio
Mikki Willis is the founder of Elevate; a production company on a mission, Elevate is one of the most prolific creators of socially conscious media. As a filmmaker he has been granted rare access into the minds and hearts of world re-known philosophers, scientists, physicists, doctors, authors, shamans, and human development experts. As a director he has helmed numerous award winning and record setting productions, including theatrical features, network television specials, commercials, and music videos for platinum artists. In 2006, Mikki's passion for uniting creatives inspired the birth of "Elevate Film Festival". In less than three years the festival earned the title of "the world's largest single screen film event," hosting up to 6,000 people per screening; filling prestigious arenas such as, The Kodak Theater, The Pasadena Civic, and The Nokia L.A. Live. In 2011, Mikki received the Conscious Life Humanitarian Award, and named a member of the Transformational Leadership Counsel. In 2013 he co-created a breakthrough blended learning program for Harvard Westlake; which is currently being integrated into the curriculum of 3500 high schools. In 2014 he co-directed the documentary, "Neurons to Nirvana" : Understanding Psychedelic Medicines. In 2015 -2016 Mikki is completing "Be Brave", his latest feature length documentary. Mikki and his wife Nadia Salamanca are creating "Elevate Family", a new online platform for kids and parents. Mikki, his beautiful wife Nadia, and their two sons Azai and Zuriel live life to the fullest in Ojai, Ca.
Go Bernie !!
Yeah, I saw several pages about him.
Nothing confirms he ever worked with the Sanders campaign, or any political campaign.
Bingo! Thanks for the buzzwords
Behind every good D is a Foundation? Why because the government no workie? What is wrong with rich people they can't pay taxes? Well nothing is wrong in the PR departments, Edward Bernays is smiling.
Peace
Source
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0932413/bio
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
This comes from the
Bernie Sanders' Speeches and Events YouTube channel. It is the Mikki Willis statement in which he talks about being Sanders' cameraman and the endorsement.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CxD5mQTXg]
I looked for some Mikki Willis videos and came across this which I thought was worth sharing. = )
[video:https://youtu.be/K7rujK0iOJU]
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Maybe he's a better cameraman than speaker
Speculating on what "may" happen to the Clintons is not valuable, almost CT. Let's just wait to see what happens. No sense making these speculative comments.
He lost me, of course, when he said NO TRUMP. To which I reply, NO CLINTON. Trump would do more to destroy the Democratic party "as it stands now" while creating massive disruption to the Republican party.
Suggest we be as patient, as possible, with Bernie Sanders. Let it all play out. We certainly have options.
This:
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
This should be its own thread
discussing what Mikki Willis says in this video. Not to take away from this OP's thread. I just think the camera mans video deserves one all its own.
It would be nice.
I'll give Stein my vote regardless if Sanders is on the ticket or not.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Money speaks
As I pause to see what the truth is behind Bernie's latest decision, I have sent $15.00 to Jill Stein and will send more soon. It is important that those DNC folks around Hillary see the reality that most of us with Bernie will never vote for Hillary...and they can see money flowing to Jill Stein. Let their sense of panic rise as they realize, they are pitching us a loser with Hillary. As someone put it yesterday, "the evil of two lessors"; forget that crappy choice. I throw my vote and $$$ behind the truth I believe, and let the DNC swallow that reality every day from now till the election. - Nemoshell
Jill - Vermont
Vermonters, disappointed Bernie supporters, are her target group right now to get new followers and donations. That could be why she chose Vermont to rally right now, rather than anything to do specifically with Bernie, or meeting Bernie.
OLinda I think you nailed it
Lots of Bernie supporters scratching their heads right now, looking for direction. Jill is there to welcome them aboard.
I also wonder how long it will take for the Dem Machine to command Bernie to attack the Greens. Because clearly Hellery wants to scoop up all of Bernie's army -- and good luck with that.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Oh, they may TRY to command Bernie to do that...
For some reason I imagine his response would reflect his NY roots. "I got your Command right here!" {Tug-Tug}
I don't see a scenario in the world where Bernie would actually "Attack" the Greens...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Bernie gave a speech yesterday
that lasted 23 minutes and he didn't mention Hillary in it once.
Sorry that I don't have the link to the article, but if that is true that he didn't mention her name during his speech, I think that says something. Not sure what.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
It means he was trying hard not to
Puke.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
It means he was trying hard not to
Puke.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Lol, worth saying - and
Lol, worth saying - and reccing - twice, especially since poor Bernie would have gagged more than that during that forced endorsement.
My faith Berns forever.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Here you go, snoopydawg
THE DAY AFTER: Bernie mentions Hillary ZERO times during 23 minute speech
The American Mirror
That's the entire article, although it does have the youtube video of his 23-minute speech.
Thanks, LSM
I found it and was going to post what you did.
Brilliant statement.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I wonder if he could see
I wonder if he could see Hillary goons trying to tear Bernie signs out of women's hands, in their segregated area of the 'unity' rally...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Hey, SD! I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm 'guessing'
that we'll see a two-track effort in the months to come. Bernie will campaign for FSC, and also give speeches/videos to rally his supporters to his cause.
The evening of the endorsement, Jeff Weaver said on MSNBC that he would campaign from 'one side of the country, to the other,' on behalf of FSC. So, I expect that he will be on the campaign trail for her, eventually.
Of course, I would expect him to stay below the radar with a lot of campaigning for her--at least, until after the Convention.
BTW, today was the last day of the current Congressional Session until after Labor Day.
I anticipate seeing a truck load of FSC's Senate surrogates, out and about. I'll try to occasionally post some updates at EB, as I run across them, since my cell phone feed has constant 'horse race' updates.
Frankly, I'm not going to sweat it, as they say. It would be next to impossible to endorse someone, and not campaign with them. What's done is done.
Bernie has a right to work inside the Dem Party, the same as I have a right to choose not to do so.
Of course, I'm far more concerned about the issues, anyway--especially the legislation that 'might' make it through a Lame Duck Session.
Have a good weekend!
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
You do know Vermont has 3 votes
in the electoral college.
Why is she there for a week?
Bernie had a history in Vermont. Jill? Not so much.
Confused I am...
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She's going to spend 6 days courting Vermonters?
If that was her intent, she could cover the state in one day easily. She has supporters here of course, but she'll have a tough sell if she wants us to switch our allegiance. We've had Bernie as our mayor, congressman, and senator for nearly 40 years and he is well respected and trusted across political parties here. Republicans I know wish Bernie was in the race, they'd gladly vote for him over the foolishness of Donald Trump. Even those who never cast a vote for Bernie have little to say against him. He's a a truth teller, and a champion of the working class, and everyone knows it.
Carolyn Urban
Switch your allegiance from Bernie or Hillary, though?
I don't think Jill would try to tell people to repudiate Bernie, especially those who actually know him. It's more likely she'd try to sell herself as someone who will carry Bernie's ideas forward into the general, since he didn't get the nom. And the state that has elected him for so long might be open to a third-party candidate who share so many of his positions.
Would they, I wonder? Vermonters tend to be fairly independent thinker, I believe.
She's shown no inclination thus far to upstage or throw Bernie under the bus, though. I don't expect that to change.
Well put, that
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
I was there for Jill's talk
I was there for Jill's talk tonight and that is exactly what she did. We, the green party and Jill are our only viable, vote in accordance with our values, hopes and dreams and consciences. She spoke about her platform and how it would work. She is smart and as straight a shooter as we could hope for and she is not tied to any need to mince her words to appease any political forces. She was very powerful about ending the endless wars for oil and power and stopping the arming of both sides to perpetuate the worldwide carnage and flood of refugees. She spoke of climate change, student debt, BLMs, the vast damage Bill Clinton's policies did to our country, etc. She has my vote. We will be making our first donation this weekend. It would be very powerful if the DNC started to see Bernie dollars convert to money for Jill rather than increases to Hillary's war chest.
I haven't heard anyone
who is supporting Hillary. If they are, they're being quiet about it. I'm hearing reluctant Trump republicans, say "where's Bernie?" and most Dems, and mostly all Independents, say "Writing in Bernie." The Green party is respected here too, but we have our man.
Carolyn Urban
6 Days in Vermont,
(coincidentally, I just happen to be listening to the Flying Burrito Brothers, "Six Days on the Road"). At any rate, we are a very small state population-wise and, traditionally, we are not canvassed by actual candidates. Consequentially, something may indeed be brewing. Time will tell!
Our village and town are so small that we don't have a village idiot or a town drunk. Nope, we all take turns.
It's Bernie's way of saying Go vote for Jill
Obviously, he can't come out and support her. He's running as a Democrat and has to do what he has to do. But this signals to all of his supporters to get behind Jill. It signals that the movers and shakers in Bernie's movement are preparing to move and shake all the way over to Jill.
Plus, when one take that other video from the cameraman into account. What does he say that tells us all we need to know? He spoke of the Clinton Foundation. Said those who were true supporters would know what that meant and then went a step further and spelled it out: Racketeering. He all but spelled out that she's a criminal through and through.
Message from Bernie: Don't fucking vote for Hillary!!!!
Message from Bernie's most important staff member Nina Turner: Vote Jill.
Can it get any clearer than that folks? Bernie wants us to go to Jill. It's official. Really, it is. That's as official as Bernie can do. Talk of forming some new party is going to be the worst thing this movement could do. Bernie and his people know. You have to go to Jill.
Exactly - vote against evil,
Exactly - vote against evil, don't ask for it!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Jills in VT.... Where's Bernie?
Yanno... If this was a play we would be in intermission right now. Some people will leave without bothering to watch the second act. Others will get a drink slip out for a cig, and go back to theirs seats... And second act people will fill the seats of those who left at intermission
Gary Johnson
Jill stein
They both play a part in the revolution
I am going to grab a drink and go right back to MY seat to see how this play turns out.
(Smile)
Am going to now go do an inner tube search on JILL... Doesn't hurt to increase her search engine numbers and help freak out the DNC powers that b
Orwell was an optimist
If anyone hasn't read this
If anyone hasn't read this yet - you need to! (Partially copied below and linked from: http://www.jill2016.com/ )
http://www.jill2016.com/keeptherevolutiongoing
The rest is, of course, at source.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well I find this to be a lot of coincidences....
I have been saying all along, it isn't over until Bernie says it is over; and then, it is only over for Bernie. I have also said that he has to be in it to win it and that means taking it to the end. Stein has opened doors to him that I think he needs to walk through IF the stupid ass Democratic Party doesn't nominate him.
All the people that bad mouth Bernie say more about themselves than they do Bernie. Even if one doesn't agree with him, questioning his motives, calling him names, and personally attacking him is ridiculous. I also don't understand why people keep pushing a false choice between Stein and Bernie. If we can't walk and chew gum at the same time, we beg to be used and exploited by the .01%.
Thanks for sharing this. I have shared it on FB and Tweeter. People need to keep their mind and eyes open, actively support Plan B in case, and let this thing play out. What they can't do is dropout and give up.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I hope you are right :) nt
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Forgot to congratulate you
for getting your voting rights back! Yippee! or something.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Great Comment DK, I agree with your sentiments totally.
Bernie has such an honorable history that it perplexes me that so many would shift their views so fast.
I chalk a lot of it up to the immense amount of disappointment we are all feeling but no matter what the outcome of this election Bernie will still remain an honorable crusader for the cause in my eyes.
Just because we don't agree with him on this one move doesn't negate all the other things he stands for and has done.
The next person who's decisions I agree with 100% will be the first one....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Tweeter - lol
He sure worked his ass off, and he gave us an eye opener if nothing else.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
He also empowered
the movement of millions politically aware diverse people across the country that they can take on the political duopoly machine. I'm playing it as it lies. I have had it with these 11 or 3 dimensional chess game theories. Bernie will do whatever he does but the movement he gave voice and sanding too is not going to go away. It's been building for decades.
This farce of an election seems to a turning point as people just aren't buying what the criminal political class is selling this time around. On the oligarchical side they might just have gone too far with this absurd side show and display of naked power that has nothing to do with the reality we all live in. Incremental double speak and fear won't put this Humpty together again. Off we go into the blue.
I am voting for Stein and I have been encouraging
anyone I come in contact with to do the same, swing state or not. However, I stopped for a minute and considered whether I would really be doing this if I thought that my actions might actually increase the chances of electing Trump. My own actual influence is small, but Bernie's is huuuuge. Potentially.
I don't know what I would do if I wielded Bernie's influence, actually. I'm going to give Bernie the freedom of his own conscience on this one.
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
The only way to find a candidate you agree with 100%
is to run for office yourself. There will always be disagreements over something.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Is it
okay to bad mouth his endorsement of Clinton? In other words, I love you Bernster, but I disagree with your endorsement. Just asking... Peace!
Our village and town are so small that we don't have a village idiot or a town drunk. Nope, we all take turns.
The great thing about this place is it is pretty much ok to say
almost anything.
People may argue against your position but you don't see the ad-hominem attacks and loyalty police that you may have found at other places.
Personally I think his decision sucks, BUT that is also with the knowledge that I am not privy to all the information he is or what his strategy is.
I can think of a few solid reasons why it would make political sense for him to do so.
To use an example I had made earlier, if something were to happen that would decrease the chances of Clinton beating Trump and she has to step down from the race he would have a strong argument to make to the DNC to get behind him.
I dunno, there are just too many unknowns, but I think that history reflects the accuracy of his judgement so I am not condemning his action or supporting it, I just wont be following his "Advice" in this particular case.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I'll send Jill another little donation
In a day or so.
It's A Plausible Theory
Cornell West endorsing Jill Stein after being one of Bernie's Platform Champions is what makes me think there is something to this concept. It is why I have held on to my donation money for now, waiting to know exactly what I need to do.
I'd give to Dr. Stein now if I had enough to do so, but it takes some effort on my part to raise the smallest sums. I have to wait to know what's coming. I am hardly alone.
But wait for further developments I will.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Question?
In how many States are the Greens on the ballot? For States where they are not, how much time do they have to do so?
Tks
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
No Time To Do Your Own Research?
I'd be glad to answer your questions if you were paying me. I did do a brief search to see if easy answers could be located. They cannot. The Greens are on the ballot in at least 20 states (The Libertarians are on the ballot in 33 states, so Gary Johnson had better get busy). The time to get on the ballot will vary among the states. So if you want to cover my time with your treasure, I'll gladly assume the assignment.
No Bitcoin Accepted.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Gee, sorry
No need to get your undies in a knot. I assumed (always a bad idea) based on your post you knew the answer to these questions.
Maybe you should have qualified "What do you guys think?" to "What do you guys think? But don't ask me any questions."
What's the problem with Bitcoins and why won't you accept them? Heh!
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Ed, Greens are on the ballot in I think 25 states now
They have until dates in August for some big ones coming up - PA, NJ, etc. If I can find the comment or reference I'll post it here. I just saw it recently.
ETA: - Thanks AlphaLop for finding the info!
What about the working families party. TFP. ??? They
Endorsed Bernie in the primary... They are currently the 3rd largest party in NY and they usually run a ticket that pretty much mirrors the dem ticket... But I am wondering if they will put Bernie at the top of their ticket in November...
Anyone know?
Orwell was an optimist
I See You Don't Read Well Either
If you did, and if you were able to understand what I said, then you might understand why you didn't get what you demanded.
If you were a good Caucus citizen, you could have done the research and provided the information. A Golden Opportunity Lost! Alas.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Why so rude?
Nobody 'demanded' anything - someone asked a question, politely, and got a nuclear meltdown in response.
The only opportunity lost was one for a polite discussion without the condescending tone of your responses.
"The voice of passion is better than the voice of reason. The passionless cannot change history." ~ Czesław Miłosz
Exactly...
thank you Rhizomes.
Here is a map of what states the Greens are on the ballot on
And here are the filing deadlines.
The table below provides the formula used for determining the number of required signatures, the estimated number of signatures required, and the 2016 filing deadline. Official signature requirements are published by state elections administrators; the numbers presented here are estimates based on the most recent data available as of November 2015.
Petition signature requirements for independent presidential candidates, 2016
State Formula Example of signatures needed Filing deadline
Alabama 5,000 5,000 8/18/2016
Alaska 1% of the total number of state voters who cast ballots for president in the most recent election 3,005 8/10/2016
Arizona 3% of all registered voters who are not affiliated with a qualified political party 36,000 9/9/2016
Arkansas 1,000 1,000 8/1/2016
California 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state at the time of the close of registration prior to the preceding general election 178,039 8/12/2016
Colorado 5,000 5,000 8/10/2016
Connecticut 1% of the total vote cast for president in the most recent election, or 7,500, whichever is less 7,500 8/10/2016
Delaware 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state 6,500 7/15/2016
Florida 1% of the total number of registered voters in the state 119,316 7/15/2016
Georgia Temporary court order applying only to 2016 candidates 7,500 7/12/2016
Hawaii 1% of the total number of votes cast in the state for president in the most recent election 4,347 8/10/2016
Idaho 1,000 1,000 8/24/2016
Illinois 1% of the total number of voters in the most recent statewide general election, or 25,000, whichever is less 25,000 6/27/2016
Indiana 2% of the total vote cast for secretary of state in the most recent election 26,700 6/30/2016
Iowa 1,500 eligible voters from at least 10 of the state's counties 1,500 8/19/2016
Kansas 5,000 5,000 8/1/2016
Kentucky 5,000 5,000 9/9/2016
Louisiana 5,000 5,000 8/19/2016
Maine Between 4,000 and 6,000 4,000 8/1/2016
Maryland 1% of the total number of registered state voters 38,000 8/1/2016
Massachusetts 10,000 10,000 8/2/2016
Michigan 30,000 30,000 7/21/2016
Minnesota 2,000 2,000 8/23/2016
Mississippi 1,000 1,000 9/9/2016
Missouri 10,000 10,000 7/25/2016
Montana 5% of the total votes cast for the successful candidate for governor in the last election, or 5,000, whichever is less 5,000 8/17/2016
Nebraska 2,500 registered voters who did not vote in any party's primary 2,500 8/1/2016
Nevada 1% of the total number of votes cast for all representatives in Congress in the last election 5,431 7/8/2016
New Hampshire 3,000 voters, with at least 1,500 from each congressional district 3,000 8/10/2016
New Jersey 800 800 8/1/2016
New Mexico 3% of the total votes cast for governor in the last general election 15,388 6/30/2016
New York 15,000, with at least 100 from each of the state's congressional districts 15,000 8/23/2016
North Carolina 2% of the total votes cast for governor in the previous general election 89,366 6/9/2016
North Dakota 4,000 4,000 9/5/2016
Ohio 5,000 5,000 8/10/2016
Oklahoma 3% of the total votes cast in the last general election for president 40,047 7/15/2016
Oregon 1% of the total votes cast in the last general election for president 17,893 8/30/2016
Pennsylvania 2% of the largest entire vote cast for any elected candidate in the state at the last preceding election at which statewide candidates were voted for" 25,000 8/1/2016
Rhode Island 1,000 1,000 9/9/2016
South Carolina 5% of registered voters up to 10,000 10,000 7/15/2016
South Dakota 1% of the combined vote for governor in the last election 2,775 8/2/2016
Tennessee 25 votes per state elector (275 total) 275 8/18/2016
Texas 1% of the total votes cast for all candidates in the previous presidential election 79,939 5/9/2016
Utah 1,000 1,000 8/15/2016
Vermont 1,000 1,000 8/1/2016
Virginia 5,000 registered voters, with at least 200 from each congressional district 5,000 8/26/2016
Washington 1,000 1,000 7/23/2016
Washington, D.C. 1% of the district's qualified voters 4,600 8/10/2016
West Virginia 1% of the total votes cast in the state for president in the most recent election 6,705 8/1/2016
Wisconsin Between 2,000 and 4,000 2,000 8/2/2016
Wyoming 2% of the total number of votes cast for United States Representative in the most recent general election 3,302 8/30/2016
Took about 5 minutes so no charge.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
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I applaud you.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
question by a confused mind:
So, Bernie has done now his duty of being a man of his word and officially endorsed Clinton, but then he did this before the convention and there must be a reason for him having done that.
Next, the DNC will not nominate him, but HRC. That means, Bernie is released of all committments by then, right?
Can he announce after he hasn't been nominated that he would urge all his followers to throw their votes behind Jill Stein? Could he re-register as an Independent right after the convention and start all over again?
As an independent he could endorse Jill Stein, or even run on her Green Party ticket, can he do that? Legally?
Somehow I can't believe that this Micki Willis guy up there did this video on behalf of Sanders' request. That would be so "non-Bernie-ish".
Whatever it is. I wait for an endorsement of Hedges and Nader to SOMEBODY. I mean they can't just talk and then not walk and not making a decision. And if they don't endorse somebody, then at least they should lead in a movement to boycott the vote and all mainstream TV media or whatever. Somehow that all gets a bit ... what word to use...like ..."where is the beef?" May be in the end they endorse Joe's "party of nobody". At last it would mean we all go nuts, no?
Wut? Nader?
Really?
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
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Why not? They could endorse Jill Stein, both of them,
they also could have endorsed Sanders, if they weren't so stubbornly determined that one can't endorse someone, who runs on Democratic Party platform. I mean, the way the Democrats have completely sold out to war-mongering, un-social, non-peaceful, unjust causes, I can't blame them. So, now at least they could endorse Jill Stein. And Jill Stein and Bernie could have a romantic date and may heck out some outrageous thingies...
I guess I just don't understand American logic... Sorry, if I said something totally stupid.
I am getting so tired with that.
Hee! You're right about it being "American logic"
See, here in the US, if Ralph Nader publicly endorsed Bernie or Jill, they would immediately be poisoned and rendered null and void by his very word and therefore render themselves completely irrelevant. See, after 16 years, Ralph Nader has this amazing power to a certain subset of NeoDemocrats--he is like The Black Death. Or the actual Devil himself. Whatever he touches will immediately turn to shit, and therefore, there is no forgiveness. It's like the ultimate, all-purpose excuse.
None of it is true, none of it. But Some Say it is anyway, that Nadar ran in 2000 and got some votes that made Al Gore lose. For sixteen years, they've been flinging this bullshit. It's almost a joke now, if it were only funny...
He should endorse Clinton then...
Because she "Deserves It!"
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Ha! If only you could trust him to do it
with a straight face, huh?
If he hadn't endorsed,
If he hadn't endorsed, apparently he would have been stripped of delegate power and his leverage, to be denied any standing at the Convention. I'd think he's unlikely to run as 3rd-Party, unfortunately, since he's already said that he wouldn't.
However, Hillary is still busily engaged in disqualifying herself, while all of the seemingly endless examples of evidence of criminality/gross incompetence/failure to learn from endless 'mistakes' forming existing gross disqualification for the public service at any level might not ALL be blatantly claimed to be a pass for Clintons, if for just about nobody else.
There is no way that this nomination can be remotely claimed to resemble a legitimate election and I'm amazed that The American People are AGAIN accepting the results of not only a known false electoral result but of such a blatantly rigged election. And to then consider voting for the evil the faked result was arranged for?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
sign the petition / Google seems to be censoring Jill
Received an email from Stein's campaign that is asking us to tell Google to stop eliminating her from searches. People can find her by searching directly, but if you search for "presidential candidates" she doesn't show up.
Every time I try to link to the petition, it keeps coming up with my personal info (it includes my name and says "thank you for signing") so I'm sorry I can't provide a direct link. Please go to www.jill2016.com and sign the petition, so more and more people can find out about her candidacy.
There is no justice in America, but it is the fight for justice that sustains you.
--Amiri Baraka
If google keeps manipulating it's algorithms it's gonna bite
them in the ass.
Regardless of party or belief NOBODY wants a third party filtering out what they can see. Sure, it may work to their advantage in the moment, but what about when it's done AGAINST what you want?
I really do wish there as a viable engine out there that was as effective as Google (when they are not fudging stuff that is.) because I would switch to it in a second.
Google, do your job, be a search engine, not a filter for the oligarchy...
What was that they had in their mission statement? "Don't be Evil"?
Maybe someone should remind them that that's in there...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I think the quality of Google search results in general, is down
I do a lot of non-political searches for a whole wide range of topics and Googls's search results have turned to crap. I think we need open source, non-profit, social media replacements for the likes of Google, Facebook and Twitter, where all meta data is transparent and there is no penalty for anonymity.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Google facing legal action over this practice
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32314950
If one can push one's preferred clients out front, one can also bury the undesired. I deem Google guilty as charged.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Googled
for "presidential candidates 2016"
First result "Ballotpedia"
Second result "2016 Presidential Candidates (Presidency 2016) - Politics1"
Third result "Why Aren't Gary Johnson And Jill Stein Doing Better In This Election ..."
Fourth result "Trump selects Mike Pence"
No headlines containing "Clinton" on the first page.
Not exactly blacklisted.
Of course Google has my ID and tracks my searches and customizes results for me, same as for anyone else.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Avoid Google. Duckduckgo is fine, no tracking.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I have been using duckduckgo
for well over a year and it works just fine,very seldom do I use anything else.
DuckDuckGo.Off the Google too, and Farcebook, data mining sites.
Same here, for about a year too, pro left. Not as comprehensive perhaps as the all-powerful, great director Google god. But I'll take it.
Fuck them both for selling all our data, spying on our emails, demanding access to your entire online life's record in exchange for using their never-ending, new and improved "apps", while conforming our searches to the wishes of the people who pay for not only top bidding but perhaps more disconcertingly for searches to shield their transgressions or public disapproval (such as Hillary's campaign, Fortune 500 companies, etc).
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I use DuckDuckGo, too
and have been for a couple of years now. I've never facebooked - never trusted it. Another thing I don't do it join every rewards club in every shopping experience. When asked, I actually say, "No thanks, I'm tired of being tracked for everything." Most people then commiserate with me about how everyone wants to know our shopping habits, which is the purpose of rewards crap.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Semi-OT: Rewards programs
I'm on most rewards programs for shit I buy online. Why? Because, in those cases, they're tracking me anyway; they may as well just fucking pay me for so violating my privacy.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Sure, I get that!
I don't shop online, but I know I'm tracked anyway, too!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Gah - I KNOW, Raggedy - it is annoying. Nevertheless...
I have their stupid rewards cards, especially for my grocery shopping, because if I don't, I can't take advantage of the sales, which really sucks. For instance, at my local Weis, if I use the card, I can save up to $65 on a $200 bill, and they won't give you those savings without it.
I do limit it to places I shop regularly and that give at least some savings benefit for the pleasure of them knowing everything I eat.
I stopped shopping at
the only grocery store that I had a rewards card with because they don't have a "credit" option when you use your chip card. I don't buy anything on debit because my credit union give me rewards for using credit. I don't buy online, either. But I get what you're saying. When I did shop at that grocery, the savings were worth it.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Just wanted to thank you for the DUCKDUCKGO rec.
Been playing with it a bit and so far seems pretty great!
Thanks for turning me onto it.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Google is in cahoots
with The Mad Bomber.They do evil globally. They are neoliberal and neocon. I bookmarked DuckDuckGo and put it on my toolbar right next to google. I was skeptical about it as a search engine. I tested it against google in a political query. I was pleasantly surprised. Instead of getting CNN or WaPo or the Hill etc. the top links were news sources that actually are not propagandists or fear mongers from around the world.
I used DuckDuckGo to research my art OT. Google was impossible as all art links led to Pinterest which was founded by a Google guy. I found links to international and American art museums, art encyclopedia's and articles about movements artists and art history. I still use google as they own a lot of images via pinterest but the bulk of my searches in the last two weeks have been using DDG. I have made it my default search engine. As a bonus they do not track you.
https://duckduckgo.com/
https://duckduckgo.com/about
From the Search Engine Journal
DuckDuckGo vs Google (Impressive New Stats)
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/duckduckgo-vs-google-new-stats/64605/
I just did the Google search
I got a black band at the top of the first search results page with the title "President of the United States/Active campaigns." Listed (with photos) were Trump, Clinton, Bernie, Gary Johnson, ... and Jill Stein. Perhaps the petition has gotten results.
the "Stop Censoring Jill" petition
...... is located at http://www.jill2016.com/google.
I failed to find any direct link on Jill's website (http://www.jill2016.com) to this very important sub-page (BAD webmasters! BAD kitties!!). I found it using -- you guessed it -- Google.
So go to the petition and sign it!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Okay, I did that.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Thanks, I hadn't been able to
Thanks, I hadn't been able to find it on Jill's 2016 page.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I have been thinking along the same lines as the Cabin Talker
Bernie Sanders is one of the most effective politicians in recent history, and everything he does is behind the scenes, and behind enemy lines. The Amendment King got more amendments through more actual work done, even under Republican Congress than anyone currently or recently serving. He is all about chess, he is all about winning whatever he can whenever he can to advance his goals under the most adverse of circumstances.
After watching the "endorsement," and HRC's polls plummeted, as I hoped, I was pretty sure he was up to something to convince super delegates that HRC is a losing cause. He has been saying he was going to do that for several months now. So why would he not be doing exactly what he said he was going to do? He is a man of his word. He said he was going to demonstrate to the super delegates that he was the best choice.
He has also, always said that he will do "everything in his power to ensure Trump is not elected." If it becomes clear to all reasonable people that HRC is not likely to be able to beat Trump, and the super delegates do not see it, then "everything" means third party.
Yes, after the convention, he is free to do as he pleases.
Now add in the Cornel West endorsement, right on the heels of being on the platform committee?
A very clear message. And, plausible because everyone knows that Cornel West is fiercely committed to his beliefs and is known for unexpected moves, so he can clearly do that and send a message to us, but because he's seen by elites as eccentric, Bernie can plausibly deny he is doing anything "Cornel West is a strong opinionated man, like my supporters. I can not tell him what to do"
But it will make SD's nervous. And now Jill Stein is spending her vacation in Burlington? 6 days only book end events. Even if she meets with no one. It will scare the shit out of paranoid DNC people and Super Delegates. They will, rightfully, believe that he is up to something with the Greens (even if there is no known meeting) her being there for that long with that little publicly going on is highly suspicious.
Then, Nina Turner and Jill Stein having a joint event? Then Bernie's rally.
DNC insiders will be shitting bricks as they watch HRC go down the tubes and fears of a third party Bernie ("no, no, I will back HRC as the nominee after a few rounds of voting" and he will) it will be yuge pressure on them.
Remember these are politicians, they are paranoid as hell.
Whether or not he finally goes green, this is at least a huge cudgel to hold over SD's heads.
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Duck Duck Go is decent, alpha
I too revert to Google for some things, especially local searching.
But unlike the suckiness of Yahoo (Why do they even bother??) - for news and general info Duck Duck Go seems to give pretty comprehensive and relevant results.
Another option is...
...https://www.ixquick.com
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
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