Obama: Listening to Hillary was the biggest mistake of my presidency

Obama: Regime change in Libya, biggest mistake

As a result, ISIS has managed to take advantage of the situation and now controls a large swathe of coastline including Gaddafi's former stronghold of Sirte.

Obama has discussed the shortcomings of the mission in Libya before. In a profile piece with The Atlantic he described the situation as 'a mess', though aides say in private he calls it a 's***-show'.

Except that it was ENTIRELY Hillary Clinton's lobbying the Obama administration that led to the regime change.

The Libya Gamble: Inside Hillary Clinton's Push for War & the Making of a Failed State

And Secretary Clinton had been meeting with representatives of Britain, France and the Arab countries. And she sort of essentially called in from Paris and then from Cairo, and she ended up tipping the balance and essentially convincing President Obama, who later described this as a 51-49 decision, to join the other countries in the coalition to bomb Gaddafi’s forces.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLjvJbnY0c]

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And then there is this:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0ABuyYcfE]

Hillary Clinton's emails reveal that bombing Lybia into "chaos" was an integral part of the strategy for Libya and to oppose the formation of a functional democracy, even if Omar Qaddafi left the country. Since a "sectarian war in the region" would not be a "bad thing" for Israel and its allies.

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Pricknick's picture

You didn't put Listening to Hillary was the biggest mistake of my presidency in quotes.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

new minas's picture

that she definitely "pulled a rumsfeld" on that one

basically saying that they would not have a problem pulling together a coalition after Qaddafi was deposed. Just like rumsfeld said that the oil would pay for the war.

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

snoopydawg's picture

Dammit, I do not want this woman anywhere near the White House again.
Bill Clinton has already done so much damage to this country's people when he threw millions off of welfare and Hillary called those people on it " just lazy people who don't want to work".
His policies are continuing to hurt many people because in the crime bill there's a clause that anyone who has a felony record is not eligible for food stamps or housing assistance. Families were and are kicked out of public housing because a member or a friend has a felony record. Tens of thousands of people have been kicked off of food stamps because of the rules in the welfare reform bill.
Many people were and are locked up in prison because of the draconian laws in the crime bill.
And as we all know, Hillary pushed for those bills to pass.
Millions of people have lost their homes and pensions because of his deregulation of the banks and many people lost their jobs and homes because of nafta.
This article goes into detail about Hillary's push for regime change in Libya.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/01/clin-m01.html

And there's this:

The vicious lynch-mob murder of Gaddafi by the US-backed Islamist “rebels.” After watching a video on an aide’s BlackBerry of the Libyan leader being beaten and sodomized with a bayonet before he was killed, Clinton exclaimed “Wow!”
She then infamously turned to her television interviewer, exclaimed “We came, we saw, he died!” and cackled in delight.
Murdered alongside Gaddafi was his son Mutassim, who just two years earlier had been warmly welcomed to the State Department with smiles and handshakes by the same Hillary Clinton.

Who the hell can watch a video like that and then laugh about it? Only a sociopath, IMO.
She has been behind every military intervention going back to the 80's
http://www.empireslayer.org/2013/11/hilary-clinton-pro-war-and-imperiali...
This woman has millions of people's blood and deaths on her hands and goes on with her life without a care in the world.
How the hell can anyone who knows of her history willingly vote for her?

(I can't put this statement at the bottom of the my comment because I'm using my iPad), but Obama too has a lot of blood and deaths on his hands because he has continued the US's policy of using the military to destroy countries so that the corporations can steal other country's resources. There are no other reasons for the military to destroy countries after countries since the United States was created. And the country started out with the genocide of the Native Americans and then it was built on slavery of African Americans, Chinese immigrants and other people who had no say in their lives. I could add a lot more, but I think I have said enough for now.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm beyond disgusted with the history of the US and the people who think these actions are justified.

The article establishes that Clinton “pressed for a secret program that supplied arms to rebel militias,” composed largely of Islamist groups, some with direct ties to Al Qaeda.
Within the administration, the Times reports, she pressed for direct US military intervention on the grounds that the British and French governments would go ahead without the US and Washington would be “left behind” and “be less capable of shaping” the scramble for control of Libya and its oil wealth.
The pretext, that Libyan government forces were on the verge of a “genocidal massacre” of “protesters” in the eastern city of Benghazi, was subsequently refuted by international human rights groups, and the total number killed in armed clashes before the US and NATO began their bombing of Libya amounted to barely 350.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

at the death of another human being (no matter how brutal a despot) that turned me off to Hillary Clinton -- that was before I was reminded of her husband leaving the campaign trail in 1992 to oversee the execution of a mentally disabled man. I wonder if she asked for details when Bill got home from the prison that night.

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snoopydawg's picture

But that added to my feelings about her.

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Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

WindDancer13's picture

Do we know what she said to members of the "coalition" prior to her advising Obama to attack? What I am looking for is whether or not she had to convince the others also or was it really their idea? I am also looking for whether or not there were economic considerations in play with those decisions?

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

All physicians, all intelligent, hard-working, caring people. One of the things that was different with Libya compared with other Middle Eastern countries was that Gaddafi sent his intelligent folks away for training (all of these guys came to Canada to do medical training) and then was perfectly happy if they didn't return to Libya, even though Libya had paid for their training. Trainees from Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc., know that they have to return home.

Everyone at work got interested in the revolution because of our Libyan friends. The way I remember events was that the revolution started with the Libyan people (now we wonder how much people were manipulated to cause the uprising). Libyan people all over the world, generally intelligent professionals, were donating as much money as they could to support the revolution. My friends did stints in MASH-type hospitals in Libya to support the cause. They returned with stories of how brave and noble the young fighters were. When it seemed like the Libyan people couldn't overcome Gaddafi's military might, we all hoped the US would help seal the deal.

Immediately after the revolution, we had high hopes of a democratically elected government that would bring peace and prosperity to the country. The ex-patriot Libyans had the right to vote. We thought that since so many people had lived for years in peaceful democratic countries in North America and Europe that a good effective government would be elected.

A couple of years after the revolution, I asked my friend what things were like in Libya. I had noticed that my friends weren't visiting home the way I had expected. He said that there was a lot of corruption, such as drug dealers, cops turning a blind eye, and a lot of violence. Ex-pats who visited Libya would be targeted for kidnapping or murdering to deter other ex-pats from returning. While the residential areas were scary, the oil fields were untouched by violence. He felt there was a deal between the oil companies and the gangs.

More recently, I heard that there has been violence involving the oil fields.

It is very sad that a revolution that inspired such high hopes for a better country have resulted in so much chaos and violence.

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“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
jamess's picture

for the post.

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