Alpha's N.Y. Primary watchers Live Blog

Hi Guys!

Today is the day! I have been avoiding the news coverage all day (Baked cookies for the wife to take to work for her co-workers tonight and got caught up on Lucifer) so I wouldn't go crazy waiting for the results, lol! So if I missed something important fill me in!

I hope you guys join me, it may be a looong night. Smile

I will be watching TYT's Live stream and posting results as they come in.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a48o2S1cPoo]

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Alphalop's picture

Statewide results
5,754/15,067 precincts (38.1%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
483,144
60.5%
Bernie Sanders
315,257
39.5%
798,401 total votes

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Statewide results
5,933/15,067 precincts (39.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
494,510
60.4%
Bernie Sanders
324,389
39.6%
818,899 total votes

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Bernie needs to make up ground elsewhere, where much more of the vote remains to be counted.

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BS 40.5%
HRC 59.5%

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I am not alone. And New York makes no difference to me.
Candidate, write in, third party, Bernie gets my vote.

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Alphalop's picture

Have been trying to post updates and no joy....

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members online).

Hey, thanks for the thread this evening. Hope to catch the final tally of votes, since, as they say, 'it ain't over, 'til it's over!'

Yikes! She's on--gotta turn down the volume, until she's finished. I literally get queasy when I hear her speak. (Can't imagine enduring years of this!)

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Have a good one!

(Music City) Mollie
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Statewide results
7,751/15,067 precincts (51.4%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
613,073
59.5%
Bernie Sanders
416,874
40.5%
1,029,947 total votes

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ready, lol!

Statewide results
8,110/15,067 precincts (53.8%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
633,297
59.3%
Bernie Sanders
435,361
40.7%
1,068,658 total votes

Bernie is continuing to shrink the gap...

I am thinking the Purge really hurt him. Seeing lots of reports from Sanders supporters in NY turned away.

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Statewide results
9,055/15,067 precincts (60%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
686,257
58.9%
Bernie Sanders
478,683
41.1%
1,164,940 total votes

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That is so completely out of line with the rest of the state, and it's his home town?

Something really smells fishy imho....

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MsGrin's picture

inexplicably.

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Alphalop's picture

Statewide results
9,248/15,067 precincts (61.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
699,264
58.8%
Bernie Sanders
489,448
41.2%
1,188,712 total votes

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if Bernie can keep the delegate numbers close....then we live til next week

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Alphalop's picture

But it seems to have finally evened out.

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Alphalop's picture

Statewide results
9,809/15,067 precincts (65.1%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
733,424
58.4%
Bernie Sanders
522,596
41.6%
1,256,020 total votes

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

gap. This reminds me of 2000. By the way, re: vote fixing: I owe an apology to the Republican party. They've been saying the Democratic Party fixes elections for years, and I was such a partisan I couldn't see it. I see it now. This smells to high heaven. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. And that is not in any way due to Bernie Sanders or to anything he said. I've been watching that woman and her husband since 1992, and they are sleaze.

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Twain Disciple

She just keeps co-opting Bernie's positions on issues.

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The sound of her voice grates on my nerves.

It will be a long 4 years if she is prez

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I turned off the sound also. Anyone looking to prove there is no god can find proof in this election.

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Statewide results
10,086/15,067 precincts (66.9%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
750,636
58.4%
Bernie Sanders
534,382
41.6%
1,285,018 total votes

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

People who haven't voted deserve to be heard. Then we need to give the corporatists all the hell we can muster at the convention. They need to understand that we -- not Bernie, WE -- are not going away.

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Twain Disciple

People who haven't voted deserve to be heard. Then we need to give the corporatists all the hell we can muster at the convention. They need to understand that we -- not Bernie, WE -- are not going away.

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the convention...

Hillary does have that FBI investigation hanging over her head, and it could effect her viability in the eyes of the SD's particularly if more info starts coming out...

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Statewide results
10,205/15,067 precincts (67.7%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
755,705
58.3%
Bernie Sanders
541,089
41.7%
1,296,794 total votes

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Statewide results
10,599/15,067 precincts (70.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
772,947
58.1%
Bernie Sanders
557,310
41.9%
1,330,257 total votes

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She's giving her victory speech right now

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stevej's picture

16% behind with 71% in - he is now doing better than Obama did against Clinton in 2008. This gives an accurate measure of what he achieved today - and of just how much of a lock the Clinton machine has on New York City.

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Statewide results
12,107/15,067 precincts (80.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
828,205
57.6%
Bernie Sanders
609,708
42.4%
1,437,913 total votes

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Alphalop's picture

Gap narrows a little bit, but not as much as I hoped.

So far at least.

Statewide results
12,332/15,067 precincts (81.8%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
847,191
57.5%
Bernie Sanders
625,072
42.5%
1,472,263 total votes

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Wow, I honestly didn't think NY was this batshit crazy...

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lotlizard's picture

It looks like a protest vote to me. “The pundits hate him, the D.C. villagers hate him, even the National Review is backing Clinton — let’s give ’em all indigestion and a poke in the eye.”

Were that a similar proportion of Democrats were fed up with their party’s establishment.

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Big Al's picture

performance. I find that astounding. What's worse, Bernie Sanders is running as a Democrat and most of his supporters are Democrats, the ones who support Obama to the tune of 80%. The revolution won't be televised.

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Seriously, the revolution doesn't give a shit about them and neither should you Wink

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Big Al's picture

The fact is most of Sanders supporters are Democrats and 80% of dems support war criminal Obama, that's not a prognostication, it's a fact. And if most of those Democrats that approve of Obama's job performance are also part of Bernie's "revolution", that says to me the revolution ain't worth shit.
And ya I'm worried about them as I'm worried about Trump supporters and Clinton supporters. They're in the way.

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How can I delicately, politely tell you which nerve of mine you really touch? Don't push your luck.

And yes, all that swill you spout about polling IS prognostication, by the way. That's what "polls" are. Sorry, short of a crystal ball that actually tells the future, they're meaningless in the end. So don't be all spouting that shit like it's fact. It isn't.

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winning in rural areas (I'm guessing) because of his stance on Social Security versus the stances of Kasich and Cruz--who would eviscerate it per the Bowles-Simpson Fiscal Commission proposal, 'The Moment Of Truth.'

Once we know who gets the Repub nomination, I'll see if I can find the table that illustrates their individual positions, and post the screenshot.

Trump wouldn't cut the program; Kasich would slash it in every conceivable way; and, IIRC, Cruz endorses most the B-S cuts, except raising the eligibility age--at the same time that he would impose a VAT.

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Were that a similar proportion of Democrats were fed up with their party’s establishment.

You nailed it!

That has to happen, before progress or reform can come about within any Party.

(Which is not to say that we shouldn't be grateful that at least a portion of the Dem Party seems to 'see the light.' But, there is much work to do--TOP is a reflection of this, IMO.)

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(admittedly, it's roughly a dozen people, at least the ones who will admit it)

that support is more like a protest vote against those other whackos. At the very least, it's a strategic gamble, if not a general protest against the "establishment". Trump is their only choice, really, unless they want to stay home. And you gotta keep the nutjob Cruz far, far away from office.

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He also decreased the gap slightly, but not enough.

This is not looking at all close to the exit polling.

Statewide results
12,660/15,067 precincts (84%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
862,983
57.4%
Bernie Sanders
641,334
42.6%
1,504,317 total votes

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riverlover's picture

in ALL counties except the ones centered around Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo. There is a divide showing in support. What to do, what to do.

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Granma's picture

suppression, and a Lot of dirty tricks. Who counts votes matters more than who votes or even how, IMO.

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but we have to try to take it the old fashioned way and see if we can set it back in the direction from which it came.

If it's too entrenched with corruption, there are other ways. We just need the will to find them and work them.

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This was a major attempt in Sanders Candidacy and the Party itself soundly rejected his platform.

They don't want big money out of politics, it's just to juicy for those that are willing to sell out the very priorities I joined the party for in the first place.

The Democratic party (at it's core at least) has shown itself to be just another arm of the Oligarchy control apparatus.

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not even Bernie can save them from themselves. The Democratic Party is about to watch their 'tent' shrink, big time.

But like I said, there are other ways for this movement--and Sanders--to prevail, or at least dig in and get shit done Wink

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We have a two party system: "Republican," and "Republican Lite."

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about the New Democratic party. Just ask the dead or fleeing victims of our 'foreign policy' or the black people being murdered by the pig goon squads, for starters. They are not the lesser evil as their more effective jerking people around to believe they are the only choice we have unless you want a bible thumping vagina probe along with your austerity and bloody endless war on terra.

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slight boost again..
Statewide results
12,797/15,067 precincts (84.9%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
869,520
57.3%
Bernie Sanders
647,479
42.7%
1,516,999 total votes

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Alphalop's picture

could get a lot closer as a few of them still have a decent amounts of votes out and the gap in a couple is close.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

... not to mention basic electoral incompetence. The obstacles remain yuge, but it's been that way since the beginning.

Read some tweet where Hill says the ol' "we have more in common than what divides us" schtick. Um, no.

Onward.

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Beat in the USA.

i wish czenk ugyar would stop calling this a bad loss. the numbers could change a fair amount with the legal challenge for the folks who were disenfranchised, and also the challenge to the Dem party for stealing the election.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Bernie is down 20 to 30 points in Kings,Bronx,Queens and NY counties but winning almost every other county and exit polling showing hrc up by 4 pts.Something is wrong with this picture!

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It doesn't matter what the delegate count is.

As long as he has the funds, he will continue until all the states have seen and heard his message. People are transforming everywhere. He's empowering these newest generations, the people under 55 who examine alternative news and who have facts at their fingertips.

The majority of folks 55+ rely on the media monopolies for news. They do not fact-check in order to neutralize the brainwashing and propaganda. They only know what the establishment tells them. This side of the divide overwhelmingly votes their fears, not their hopes.

This is a huge gap in consciousness and awareness, that came as a result of the tremendously disruptive technology of the personal computer. The minds of those who were empowered by computers during their learning years process information in a very different way. (Learning how to email late in life is not the same thing.)

Big-picture thinkers know that in 2016, winning delegates doesn't matter. They know that Bernie is engaged in a great historic struggle against the Democratic establishment and a rogue federal government that only serves itself. Every day he remains engaged, the establishment is laid open and exposed for all to see. Believe me, the American people are in a state of shock from what they are actually seeing for the first time. This nation is recoiling with disgust and the result is an explosion of public awareness. The Great American Coma is coming to an end.

People under 55 will not forget. People older will soon move on. They are already outnumbered by the Millennials and the 21st Centurists, who have been gravely harmed and betrayed by them in every way.

The establishment Parties are already dead. You might just see what that looks like at the Conventions, regardless of how this disgraceful Primary season plays out. Every rally he holds for the people, and every appearance that Bernie makes is a crippling blow to the establishment. Stay tuned and keep Bernie rolling until the end.

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We are not going to forget as long as we draw breath. And we may just still have a little wisdom, however flawed, to pass on too.

Solidarity mate. The progressive fight will go on... as long as it takes.

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FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521

we ain't dead yet.
You're blaming the beatings on the beat upon.
Let's try to remember that this isn't redstate and that us older folks here have been fighting this crap for longer than many of you have been alive.
Money is what has harmed us all. Money is the root of all betrayal perpetuated on us AND you.
Let's identify the correct villains please.

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So I look at the Guardian map and see Bernie won a whole fucking lot of counties and yet has lost cause of NYC and it's surrounding rich rich counties. Ah yes the Mad Bomber is so pragmatic and will work hard to protect our interests.

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Alphalop's picture

How I feel about my politically knowledgeable friends that support Hillary...

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Care to elaborate because I don't actually know any knowledgeable Hillary supporters. They're all uninformed.

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Alphalop's picture

She said it with such passion and perfect expression of my feelings but I couldn't do it justice. Smile

Hopefully someone with a TYT account can find it or it will show up on their Youtube feed.

It was a SOLID rant.

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The map is almost totally his, yet he is losing...

I would be interested to see what the percentages of people who had their affiliation changed and couldn't vote are in relation to counties that she won...

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That is just crazy marginal splits within the same state...

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Alphalop's picture

Sanders has massive crossover appeal, and Clinton doesn't.

If Clinton wins the Nom, the Republicans win the election...

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…Sanders winning an ever increasing majority of Independents in the big states and nationwide.

Election wonks will tell you that the 2016 Presidential Election will be determined by the Independents.

When asked in polls, Independents say they will not vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. Moreover, they will make the effort to vote against her.

If that is the case, it is likely that Jeb Bush will be the next President.

How did Jeb Bush get in there?

Wait and see.

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Bleah. Any one of them are hideous, so that doesn't really faze me a bit more than it did before I read your post, lol. Other than that, agreed heartily with the rest of it, full-stop!

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You really make a difference.

Thanks a million.

Yr friend,

Pluto

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Win or lose, it's always good to do it with friends. Smile

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when will those provisional ballots be counted? Tomorrow? So far Sanders is losing Brooklyn by 53,000. Would 100,000 votes make a difference?

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Alphalop's picture

and it could be a significant change in the delegate count.

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Bisbonian's picture

bothered to vote, knowing it was iffy that it would ever get counted.

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unless they speak of.

There better be a lot of real talkin', starting tomorrow morning...

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WindDancer13's picture

if they were Sanders supporters, I think it more likely that they would try much harder than if they were HRC supporters. One report I read some where earlier today said they already had hundreds of provisional ballots cast, and that was very early.

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In all the counties Hillary is winning in the country side the gap in votes between HRC and Bernie is around 3 - 6%, including Orange County. But in the counties Rockland, Westchester, Richmonds, Bronx, New York County, Kings, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk County the gap is much larger.

Why is that? Why would the population in these counties vote so differently from the counties in the rest of the state? In which counties were the irregularities the highest? I haven't caught up or don't remember what kind of irregularities happened that caused the law suit, but I wonder if they happened in those counties with high gaps between HRC and Sanders more than in the other counties.

Was at a Bernie Sanders Campaign HQ in my neighborhood tonight for phone banking and a NY primary result watch party and could talk to some people. The disappointment was palpable.

I asked several people what they would do and what they suggest Bernie should do, if he doesn't get the nomination. Some said they would leave the country, when Hillary would lose in the GE, others said, they would push Bernie to continue to run as an independent and if he would lose in the GE, they would work more than ever for the movement he has started to bring out in the open through his campaign.

Others (and I still think those are problematic) still will vote to prevent the Republicans from winning out of fear. No third party voting was considered by anyone. These were seasoned campaign supporters and activists for a decade or much more, and now for Bernie.

One of the lead Bernie Sanders campaign manager in that office came from SC and is a very soft-spoken Afro-America. I asked him what he thinks about Rev. Barber's Moral Monday movement. He said "hmm, nah ..." and it became clear that he believed Rev. Barber is not courageous and radical enough to really resist and fight for changes as many on the radical left supporting Sanders would want to. He said one has to build the movement, if Bernie would lose not only the primaries, but also if he would lose the GE running as an independent, after losing the Democratic primaries.

I would clearly push Sanders to not commit to his former pledge to support the democratic nominee HRC and run instead as an independent in the GE by himself.

The only reason why Hillary could win is because of the fear factor of the Republicans among the democratic voters (I guess that's decades of manipulation of voter due to the awful electoral college and party duopoly you have) and because none of them gives a damn about foreign policies, it seems, (strange if one considers how many enlisted military and Veterans are there among the Democrats, one would think they would like to have a little less aggressive foreign policy involvements around the world, as they have to suffer the consequences of US war activities).

Most of the Americans I talked to seem to relate to foreign countries through their ancestry and what they know about the hardship and atrocities their ancestors went through in Europe before they immigrated to the US, often this goes back two hundred years. That seemed to dominate their thinking about current affairs in those countries more than actual current conflicts occurring now around the world.

It's amazingly difficult to understand who thinks what and why for me. I hope they scrutinize those votes in those counties where the gap between HRC and Sanders are so irregularly high that it seems there is a not so benign reason for it.

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mimi's picture

great job. By now I rely so much on you doing that job, you became my go-to guy for election watch diaries. BTW I saw people who all are addicted to stare at the those little Bernie and Hillary guys on the Guardian or NYT vote trackers painting up their counties they win. I felt a bit relieved tonight, because compared to those serious campaign activist, my 'addiction' to read news blogs on the internet is negligible.

Next one is Maryland. Onward.

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Alphalop's picture

I got a huge man crush on MiniBernie over at the Guardian.

It's just too damn cute, lol!

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WoodsDweller's picture

chalk one up for the pollsters. They were either right or at least in sync with the voter suppression operation.

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Not a chance.

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This shit is bananas.

truehawk's picture

And there is this.
http://www.amny.com/news/elections/new-york-primary-democratic-delegates...

There will be 291 New York delegates at the Democratic National Convention, but only 163 of those are elected during the primary. Those 163 are divided among the 27 congressional districts in New York. Each district will elect five to seven delegates.
The other 128 delegates are either superdelegates or other party leaders or elected officials who will be elected to be delegates at the state convention.
The 44 superdelegates in New York are the members of the Democratic National Committee from New York, the state’s Democratic members of Congress, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and distinguished party leaders.

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WindDancer13's picture

only 6 delegate names on the ballot for Sanders' voters to choose from and 7 for HRC, and apparently some people had no idea what those names were there for, so Sanders may lose some of those extra delegates.

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