Open Thread Saturday 05-30-15

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Current NSA Officials Admit Agency Is Drowning In TOO MUCH Info
The Problem Isn’t Too Little Spying … It’s Too Much

Former top NSA officials have repeatedly said that the NSA is collecting TOO MUCH information on Americans to be able to stop terror attacks.

The Intercept reports that current mid-level NSA officials confirm that the NSA is gathering TOO MUCH information… and it’s making it impossible to focus:

“We in the agency are at risk of a similar, collective paralysis in the face of a dizzying array of choices every single day,” the analyst wrote in 2011. “’Analysis paralysis’ isn’t only a cute rhyme. It’s the term for what happens when you spend so much time analyzing a situation that you ultimately stymie any outcome …. It’s what happens in SIGINT [signals intelligence] when we have access to endless possibilities, but we struggle to prioritize, narrow, and exploit the best ones.”

The document is one of about a dozen in which NSA intelligence experts express concerns usually heard from the agency’s critics: that the U.S. government’s “collect it all” strategy can undermine the effort to fight terrorism. The documents, provided to The Intercept by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, appear to contradict years of statements from senior officials who have claimed that pervasive surveillance of global communications helps the government identify terrorists before they strike or quickly find them after an attack.

Monsanto’s sick new power play: Why we could all be eating their GMOs
The biotech giant is close to the biggest agribusiness merger in history. Our food supply hangs in the balance

Earlier this month, Swiss seed and agrochemical company Syngenta rejected Monsanto’s second takeover bid in a year. Syngenta’s board said the offer undervalued the company and did not fully address regulatory risks.

But the St. Louis-based biotech giant, the world’s biggest seed seller, is not deterred and is planning a new offer to Syngenta, the world’s biggest pesticide and fertilizer seller. If approved, it would be the biggest agribusiness merger in history. But clearing antitrust regulators in the U.S. and the EU is a big if.

The combined behemoth would be the world’s largest seed and crop chemical company with more than $30 billion in revenue and control over 35 percent of the world’s seed supply. It would dominate a market that includes other Big Ag players like BASF SE, Bayer AG and Dow Chemical Co.

Possible antitrust issues arise specifically because of the potential merger’s business overlaps in the herbicide markets in North American and Latin America, as well as the North American seed market, according to Morgan Stanley. To get the deal approved, Monsanto said it would divest Syngenta’s seed business. But that isn’t enough for critics who argue that the merger would result in a near-monopoly on the global food system.

Critics Blast 'Compromises' as Patriot Act Barrels Toward Sunset
'The USA Freedom Act alone does fundamentally very little in terms of significantly constraining the ability of the National Security Agency to perform bulk collection of data about anyone, U.S. citizen or otherwise.'

With the sunset of key spy powers on the near horizon and lawmakers scrambling to save them, privacy and internet freedom groups are dialing up the pressure on Congress to end mass surveillance as we know it.

The Senate will return to Washington, D.C. for a rare session on Sunday, on the heels of a week-long Memorial Day recess. With sections of the Patriot Act barreling toward a 12am June 1 expiration, lawmakers are reportedly scrambling to come up with a last-minute deal to save the law after a series of Senate votes on Friday failed to resolve an impasse.

The debate over the National Security Agency's (NSA) spy powers has some senators pushing to kill the Patriot Act entirely and others advocating for "clean" re-authorization.

Still others—backed by the White House—in favor of the USA Freedom Act, so-called reform legislation that privacy advocates say doesn't go far enough. That bill would renew three expiring Patriot Act powers while ending the NSA's controversial bulk collection of U.S. phone records. Records would be held by phone companies instead.

Pentagon admits 24 US labs, 2 foreign states received live anthrax shipments

The Pentagon has revised the number of instances in which live anthrax samples have “accidentally” been shipped both across US and abroad, and has announced a comprehensive review into the poor handling of the deadly bacteria.

“As of now, 24 laboratories in 11 states and two foreign countries are believed to have received suspect samples,” the Pentagon said in a statement.

Earlier this week it was revealed that US Army’s Dugway Proving Ground in Utah had shipped live anthrax to labs in nine states, and to a US military base in South Korea.

With the new discoveries, the Pentagon is urging all those who received such shipments to stop working with those samples, until further notice from the US authorities. The shipment of supposedly deactivated anthrax specimens reportedly began in March 2014 and continued through April 2015. These samples were mistakenly marked inactive.

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Big Al's picture

about too much information to stop terrorist attacks, I'd have to ask them, "what terrorist attacks?"
We had 9/11, which was a false flag. What else? Pretty much all the so called terrorist actions that the FBI
has supposedly stopped have been setups with dupes. We've all talked about how we're far more likely to die
in an auto crash than a terrorist attack. More likely to get hit by lightening then a terrorist attack. Why don't we
pour billions into finding out how to stop lightening attacks?
It's another false narrative we have to reject. The NSA should be abolished.

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Dear Big Al,
Could you please shorten your blog comments as we are collecting too much information, please help us in being more efficient in our quest to spy on you. Remember, it's your money that we are spending like drunken sailors. Thank you.

Signed,
The NSA

PS: Be seeing you!

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Big Al's picture

Well, I've got one thing to say to the NSA and you can probably imagine what it is.

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NCTim's picture

The yottabyte is a multiple of the unit byte for digital information. The prefix yotta indicates multiplication by the eighth power of 1000 or 1024 in the International System of Units (SI), and therefore one yottabyte is one septillion (one long scale quadrillion) bytes. The unit symbol for the yottabyte is YB.

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

NCTim's picture

all the so called terrorist actions that the FBI has supposedly stopped have been setups

The attacks that have taken place are mostly right wingers tilting at windmills.

Sovereign Citizens Are America’s Top Cop-Killers

Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

Whether Islamic or right-wing, recent terror attacks in Europe target democracy and pluralism

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

gulfgal98's picture

They missed a few, particularly the Boston Marathon bombers, where they had good info from traditional sources and chose to ignore it.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

This Saturday morning Open Thread is open if someone would like to fill it.

I can stick around for a couple of hours this morning then it's off to town to see my dad. After that it's back here to get tonight's Evening Blues together.

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Do you know how he contracted Mesothelioma? My dad had a benign blood disorder. Myelodysplastic syndrome. I think he got it from working as a custodian in a school. All those cleaning chemicals and no safety training or precautions at all.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Yes, as a young man in the late 50s he worked at the Union Asbestos Company in Bloomington, Illinois where he worked with raw asbestos. He also had many subsequent exposures as a contractor, with asbestos being prevalent in many building materials for decades. He was diagnosed as having asbestosis about 15 years ago after suffering heart problems and within the last couple of months it's turned to cancer.

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Early 1900, I helped care for my aunt, a second mom to me, who died from Alzheimers. It was in her home so I sort of knew what I was getting into when I turned my house into a hospice and assisted living home for our parents. I just didn't know it would be for so long.

In 1997 my FIL came to my house from Florida to die so he could do it at home with his family. He had cancer, not dementia, so he went quick - 6 months. My dad developed dementia, and he got to be more than mom could handle. So around 98/99 I moved both of them into my home where they lived until they died. Dad went @ 90 in 2002, and mom died @ 96 in 2008. When it was my MILs turn in 2011, there was no way. I told my husband his sister was just going to have to do the last one. She was eventually placed against her wishes into a nursing where she died. That generation was brought up with people dying at home and viewed institutions as cruel and unusal punishment no matter how nice or expensive.

In addition to hospice when eligible, I hired caregivers to help me keep them in my home; but caregivers are a mixed blessing when they are your responsibility and you are dependent on them to help keep the entire family going. Some are so unreliable and as needy as the people they are caring for. It was a long 10 years. I missed so much time with my grandchildren. Three little boys are too rambunctious for someone with dementia so they couldn't visit much. As a result of my experience, I made my wishes very clear to my only child. When it's my turn, I want to be in a home - a very nice and expensive home :-). I don't want to be abandoned there, but I don't want her to assume the role of primary caregiver under any circumstances. And after watching so many loved ones die, I'll take heart failure/cancer over Alzheimers anyday.

My heart goes out to you and gulfgal. It isn't an easy journey for anyone.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

gulfgal98's picture

My mother was my father's caregiver for 7-8 years until she could not longer physically do it. She had really good help twice a week so that she could get out with her friends, but Daddy got too far gone and needed full time care. I never had to assume the role that you did and I respect you so much for doing so. My father has been in a wonderful privately owned small nursing home for two years. We were so fortunate that they had an opening at the time so we were able to get him in there. The owners are a husband and wife who live full time on the premises and the wife is a registered nurse.

It is always difficult to watch our parents grow old and get sick. Our family has grieved a lot over the last several years and we are grieved out. Now all we want is for my father to be safe and comfortable until he goes. We are extremely fortunate to have that assurance. My heart goes out to JtC who is experiencing it with his father.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

we've had 15 years to prepare. Yes, he's from that generation, the Korean War and working hard his whole life has made him a "tough old crow", as I jokingly tell him all the time. We thought he was going to die 15 years ago when he had his heart attacks, he's been through a lot since then, I think he's ready.

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mimi's picture

but I just post and won't guarantee I stick around after posting, if that is acceptable.

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Thanks, let's see if someone else is willing to take it first, don't want to burn you out.

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mimi's picture

I am writing them in advance in the half a dozen ... so it's whatever you want.

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NCTim's picture

Solo guitar tone is incredible.

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

Big Al's picture

been on the DK rec list for a few days now. He indicates a failure of the Democrats was not prosecuting the criminals of the Bush administration for their war crimes in Iraq. Not a word about the war crimes of the Obama administration and how they are just as heinous and should be prosecuted just the same as the Bush admin. To not say that is either naïve, uninformed, or chickenshit for fear of not making waves on a Dem blog.
Sorry man, that's bullshit. No way should the Bush admin be singled out now, the Obama admin has been fully on board with the same killing machine. And as I've said, Bill Clinton's administration set everything up so they can be included too.

"The outrageous failure to prosecute the criminals in the Bush administration is a stain on democracy and makes the USA, as a whole, and both parties in particular, complicit in the Bush administration's crimes. And if we in the rank and file of either party put up with this horrendously low standard of behavior, we're complicit too."

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took the anti-racist pledge, I sort of figured dailykos was still very important to him. I don't know why he cares, wish he didn't, but he does. OTH, he gets away with a lot more DFH rhetoric than others. lol - must be because he's one of the good ones per TomP.

PS: Martin Mally has officially declared and entered the race.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Big Al's picture

I guess. But until then, it's up to those of us who have to try to set the record straight. All he's doing there is giving
cover to the Democratic party for it's part in U.S. imperialism while supplying a little red meat to the disaffected.

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I want to be nice and give him the benefit of a doubt. This isn't like the OPOL I thought I knew.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Shahryar's picture

(a phrase from elementary school, where the word "you" is implied, as in a command. "Come here!" means "You, come here!")

OPOL's comment could be read thusly: The failure of the Democrats to pursue charges against the Bushies for the Bush war crimes was terrible and an indication that they, the Dems, were just as bad.

Or maybe he meant just what he said. I've heard Thom Hartmann say something similar and it bugged me no end, as if everything since Jan. 2009 didn't happen. Or Rachel Maddow, with her ridiculous deflection. "President Obama today signed away the rights of American workers....but that's not good enough for the Republicans!"

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joe shikspack's picture

i see opol as a good guy who basically wants the same outcomes that all of us are looking for.

it takes time for people to make a sort of ideological migration that requires a change in the thinking habits of a lifetime; not everybody will get to the next waystation at the same time. it's important for us to hang a light in the window for them.

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Definitely one of us. There are many roads to get to the same destination.

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Big Al's picture

I did say above that we all come to our senses in our own time. But information that goes to others and sways them
should be criticized if warranted, in this struggle for truth and freedom. A whole lot of the left is letting Obama off the hook
relative to war crimes while clearly identifying war crimes against the Bush admin. That's flat out wrong.

https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/if-it-isnt-anti-capitalist-its...

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